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13 Reasons Why Not to Trust the Modern ‘Secret Rapture’ Theory

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Protestant, Aug 28, 2014.

  1. Protestant

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    1. Scripture does not teach it.

    2. Neither Jesus nor the Apostles taught it.

    3. The historical Christian Church never taught it.

    4. The martyred millions whom the Word of God calls 'blessed' never taught it.

    5. It is a relatively recent invention foisted on the professing Christian Church.

    6. Its modern-day prophets make millions teaching and preaching it.

    7. It caters to the carnal nature of man who would prefer to escape tribulation.

    8. When the Apostle John, himself in tribulation, saw a futuristic vision of the innumerable multitudes of saints in Heaven, not one had escaped tribulation.

    9. It requires closing a blind eye to Church history.

    10. It requires closing a blind eye to the doctrines and history of the Roman Catholic Church.

    11. It requires closing a blind eye to the fulfillment of the Papacy as that predicted Antichrist, the Man of Sin, and his Church, Mystery Babylon.

    12. It requires dismissing as erroneous, confused or irrelevant the united testimony of the ancient Christians, Reformers and Puritans who discerned and exposed the Papal Antichrist and his false Church for what they truly are.

    13. It gives succor and comfort to the arch enemy of Christ and His Church by teaching Futurism, whose origin is of the Christ-denying Jesuits.
     
  2. prophet

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    You had me at number 1.

    I'm always amazed when Christians stumble over what Jesus taught, right along with His 12...

    Matthew 24 is Jesus expounding to His Disciples, what He spoke in mystery in Luke 23, and so on.
     
  3. DHK

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    This is a total non sequitor, as are many of your points resulting from an inadequate knowledge of the subject matter of the thread you started.

    The Great Tribulation has nothing to do with believers. It is God's wrath being poured out against the ungodly of the world, and even the world itself. During that time over half the population will be killed. But all those people will be unrepentant wicked infidels, who care not to know God, and continue to rebel against Him. Even if they had a chance to repent they would not. Their hearts are hardened against God.

    No believer goes through the Tribulation, therefore your statement is totally irrelevant.
     
  4. Revmitchell

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    Preterists try to reduce the Tribulation period as simply tribulation when in fact it is the wrath of God. They misuse the term tribulation so as to defend their weak case for preterism. The bolws being poured out on the world are certainly far more then mere tribulation and scripture is clear that beleivers are not made for the wrath of God.
     
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    I agree with you in general, however, it seems silly mentioning the RCC in connection with your objections since they don't have a dog in the fight so to speak. They didn't come up with it, nor did they teach it, nor do they support it.
     
  7. Protestant

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    I cite below text from the 1827 edition of The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty written by Chilean Jesuit Manuel Lacunza under the pseudonym of Juan Josafat Ben-Ezra, translated by Rev. Edward Irving, a prominent historic figure in the promotion of Futurism.

    A Google search will yield much information on this book.

    Spanish Jesuit Francisco Ribera is acknowledged as introducing the first significant Futurist commentary on the Revelation which set the stage for all Futurist commentaries which were to come later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ribera

    Unfortunately no English translation exists.

    However, Protestant commentaries during the Reformation frequently cited his work when defending their view as to the historic fulfillment of the Papacy and Church of Rome as the predicted Antichrist and Mystery Babylon.

    For example, German Reformer David Pareus cited both Jesuit Futurist Ribera and Jesuit Preterist Alcasar throughout his commentary.

    Commenting on Rev. 19:11, Pareus states Ribera’s view:

    Here we have the two-stage Return of Christ taught; first secretly, and then 45 days later, publicly for the final Judgment.

    The amount of information available at one’s finger tips via the Internet concerning the Jesuit origins of Futurism is truly staggering.

    For example:
    http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbusters/htm/false_prophecy/jesuit/j_app_2.htm
     
  8. InTheLight

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    Reasons number 1 through 6 could describe many doctrines, Calvinism leaps to mind for me.
     
  9. Protestant

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    The heated debate between those who hold to the controversial Doctrines of Grace and those who do not have been ongoing since the days of the Apostle Paul, as is evidenced in Romans 9:18-23.

    I have recently posted Waldensian confessions which pre-date Luther by hundreds of years yet held to absolute Predestination based solely on scriptural evidence.

    The Arminian position on free will held today by professing evangelicals is the same as that held by the Counter-Reformation Council of Trent, which council was called in order to deify Rome’s position on salvation while damning the Protestant position.

    Nearly 150 years later the Baptists were in full agreement with the Reformers' view:

    Futurism and Arminianism have much in common with the Church of Rome which is why such ‘luminaries’ as Billy Graham, Joel Osteen and James Robison can praise the papal Antichrist.
     
  10. Eliyahu

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    I agree:thumbsup:

    Rapture theory may be slightly different from Futurism.
    Lacunza, a Jesuit developped Futurism, then Edward Irving translated it from Spanish into English, then Irving and JN Darby attended the Bible Study at Countess Powerscourt.

    Each verses brought by Rapture believers can be refuted quickly.

    7 year tribulation consists of 2 period, one is the persecution of the Believers by the Beast, the wicked people, for 3 1/2 years.

    another 3 1/2 years are the period of Wrath by G against Unbelievers.

    God revenge the wicked people by the plagues during the second half of 7 years. God doesn't persecute the Saints, but the Beast and Wicked people and thereby Believers should suffer the persecution. But 3 1/2 years later, 144K will be raptured as the 2 Witness and Prophets are ascending ( 11:10-13) and we can see 144K on the Mount Zion along with Jesus even before His coming.
    So, only the limited and chosen people will be raptured, but even that will happen after 3 1/2 years.
     
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