1873 Cambridge KJV

Does your 1873 have "He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. " like the newer KJVs or "He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son does not have life" like the 1611?

 

Yeah, that was what I was talking about in the other thread... except my memory was wrong!!! That happens since I am getting older...:laugh:

Anyway, when I researched this a couple yrs ago, I remember looking at all the other times the Greek word was translated, and again, if my memory serves me correct (please, please double check) the translators translated that word into "hope" more than they did "faith"

But since they both mean the same thing in the Greek, either would be correct...
This is the problem of translating from one language to another...
But hey, without hope, we wouldn't have faith... and without faith we wouldn't have hope...

 

I just double checked and every time the word "elpis" is translated in the NT it is always translated as "hope" except in Hebrews 10:23...

I would say it should have been "hope" based on this finding.

BTW, the words at the end of the Strongs definition are not the definition... they are the words the KJV translators translated the Greek word into... So, we can't really say it MEANS faith.. just that the KJV translators translated it that way.

SFIC, Check out Matt. 23:24 (the strain gnat verse) and see how your 1873 compares...
When I go to church in a little bit, I will bring my 1873 home to compare along side you.... I wish e-sword had the 1873 module...

 

The problem with this is the fact that all other KJVs translate it as faith...
and if you are using it around KJVOs... it would cause a concern among many if you are reading and yours didn't read like theirs... Of course this would lead you into a good edifying discussion in which you can then teach them what the original language meant.

gotta run for now, be back this evening.

 

In Heb 10:23 my NASB says "hope", but my KJV says "faith". Faith makes more sense to me, but what matters is the original language I suppose.

Probably doesn't have anything to do with your discussion. I just wanted to say hi. :wavey:

 

SFIC, the following is from a document I have... I believe it is from a post here on BB a few yrs back, but am not for sure...
Maybe someone will recognize it........
It has to do with the 1873...

"Some other differences in this 1873 and present-day
KJV edition compared to many other present KJV's
include "shamefastness" (1 Tim. 2:9) instead of
"shamefacedness," "They say" (John 11:34) instead
of "They said," "Is this" (Matt. 12:23) instead of
"Is not this," "flying" (Job 30:3) instead of "fleeing,"
"Canaan" (Acts 7:11) instead of "Chanaan," and "approved
to death" (1 Cor. 4:9) instead of "appointed to death."


Besides the present-day Oxford edition of the KJV, the
present-day Cambridge edition, and the present-day
American Bible Society edition, the KJV edition in
the OPEN BIBLE, the 1873 edition of the KJV edited by F. H. A. Scrivener is also available. The New Testament of this 1873 edition of the KJV was reprinted in THE NEW TESTAMENT OCTAPLA in the 1960's. It is presently available as the text of the ZONDERVAN KJV STUDY BIBLE (2002). This 1873 edition was also used as the basis for the new STRONGEST STRONG'S CONCORDANCE.

One difference is this 1873 edition is that Scrivener
restored a number of 1611 readings in place of some
changes that other editors had made. He presents
a list of those 1611 readings he restored in his book
about various editions of the KJV (AUTHORIZED EDITION
OF THE ENGLISH BIBLE (1611), PP. 215-237).

The 1873 KJV edition has "strain out" at Matthew 23:24
instead of "strain at" in most other KJV editions. It has
"profession of our hope" at Hebrew 10:23 instead of
"profession of our faith." At John 10:25, this edition has
"ye believe not" in agreement with several of the earlier
English Bibles while most present KJV's have "ye believed
not." At Acts 25:23, it has "were entered" instead of
"was entered." It has "thy mercy's sake" at Psalm 6:4
for "thy mercies' sake."

Since this 1873 edition was made after 1769, I wonder
whether some KJV-only advocates would accept it as
a true edition. Some KJV-only advocates do not seem
to be aware of its existence or of its availability today. "

I hope this helps...
I absolutely love mine.. Is yours just by itself, or is it in a parallel Bible.
I would like to have one by itself, but I can't find one.

Also, is it in paragraph form.. mine is.

 

cool... I will have to check that out..

 

http://blog.logos.com/archives/2006/03/in_search_of_the_king_james_ve_1.html


I found this interesting.... You may be able to find an electronic version...

 

Does anyone know where to get a KJV 1873 module for e-sword..

There are so many resources out there for esword, but I can't find this one...
And it should be free...

 

Read Hebrews 10:22-23 -- When we come near to God in the full assurance of faith, can we hold fast the confession of our faith because we have a hope?

 

While this is, no doubt, all theologically true, it does still beg the question that has been raised.

I believe the question asked was which word is the correct rendering of Heb. 10:23? Is it "faith", as it apparently iis n the 1769, or is it "hope", as it apparently is in the 1873?

Two more questions - Wanna' guess which one is the 'copyrighted' version, issued under the royal crown copyright for the KJV?? I'll help everyone out, here. Why, both of course! :thumbsup:

Hmmmm!

Ain't the 'public domain', as it exists in the USA, great?

"Minor" changes are perfectly pemissible, by editors, of workd iin the 'public domain'.

Yep! Ya' don't particularly like a word?? Just change it! Just like in 'Wikipedia!' :thumbs:

Ed