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1971 Winter Soldier Under Oath

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Nov 28, 2006.

  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

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    http://www.vvlf.org/default.php?page_id=77


    POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean
    On Vietnam ‘War Crimes’ Charges
    - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation

    (10/15/2006)

    EXCERPT

    Campbell was and still is regarded by some as one of the VVAW’s most articulate and published "experts" on U.S. atrocities in Vietnam. He has "testified" before Congress, in Europe, and elsewhere that while in Vietnam he deliberately killed "dozens and dozens" of innocent civilians as a Marine artillery forward observer. He has written extensively about his and others’ atrocities in Vietnam and he even teaches a course on the Vietnam War that showcases his war crime accusations. Campbell, like Kerry, met with enemy delegations -- Vietcong and North Vietnam Communist officials -- in Paris in 1971 while he was still a U.S. uniformed reservist. He was also flown to Moscow that same year to meet with other Communist leaders, all expenses paid by the Soviets.


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    ...when Kenneth Campbell was deposed. Among the first thing he disclosed was that this was the first time he had actually been put under oath in over 35 years of "testifying" about Vietnam "war crimes." Neither he nor any of his fellow "war criminals" – Kerry included – had ever been sworn in at any hearings, not before the Senate, the House of Representatives, or anywhere.

    All of the so-called "testimony" the old mainstream media trumpeted for nearly four decades -- graphic, sickening and grisly "testimony" about savage atrocities committed by Vietnam veterans, "testimony" to which Congress and the media gave so much weight and credibility -- wasn’t "testimony" at all! Just propagandist speeches told without limitation or fear of consequences, least of all penalties for perjury. As for the "war crimes" Campbell claimed for years he committed and personally witnessed, he now conceded he didn’t actually see innocent civilians killed by his artillery barrages. In fact, if anyone had been killed or wounded, he admitted, they may not have been civilians at all!
    Concerning other atrocities Campbell identified in his lawsuits -- things like Marines massacring an entire village, killing surrendering enemy soldiers -- those incidents, too, failed to stand up under questioning. Some were things he said he had heard or assumed happened; others, he acknowledged, were simply "rumors."

    That Campbell alleged personal knowledge of horrible atrocities in his complaints and then gave wholly different stories of hearsay and assumption at his deposition is detailed in the recently filed Philadelphia lawsuit, which repeatedly alleges that Campbell lied about supposed war crimes in 1971 and lied again when he claimed in 2004 that his war crime stories were true.
     
  2. El_Guero

    El_Guero New Member

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    Those tarnishing the elite soldiers that sacrificed in Vietnam need to be punished.

    Whether they tarnish the uniform by comitting crimes against humanity or by lying . . .



     
  3. pinoybaptist

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    No Quarters Asked, No Quarters Given...

    by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation

    (10/15/2006)

    Run them all to the ground, sir.
     
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    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    Hoorah.....
     
  5. StraightAndNarrow

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    So it seems as if you're saying that soldiers in Viet Nam or Iraq who commit war crimes should not be venerated as "elite" soldiers but rather should be tried and punished? I agree.
     
  6. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

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    It took more than 35 years to get one of these liars under oath.

    Amazing!:godisgood:
     
  7. Daisy

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    Why? Did the other frivolous suits get thrown out before deposition?
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member

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    Quote:
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    It took more than 35 years to get one of these [gentlemen] under oath.

    Amazing!:godisgood:



    No.

    After the liar Campbell was deposed, he and his other lying "winter soldier" buddies withdrew their lawsuit.

    BTW Daisy, it is highly unethical to change the wording of someone elses post and represent it as a quote. You should know better.
     
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  9. JamieinNH

    JamieinNH New Member

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    Yea Daisy! That is kinda like posting only a part of someone's quote which when read would be taken out of context...

    No one around here would do that!

    Jamie
     
  10. Daisy

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    Why are you so amazed then that they were not deposed under oath in 35 years if there was no attempt to get them to do so?

    Oh carpro, I made an editorial correction/comment which was indicated by the "[]", as you know very well, and as such, not unethical at all. Far more ethical than branding people "liar" and "unethical" willy-nilly.
     
  11. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

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    If you say so.:tear:

    I know how disappointed you are that one of Kerry's liars has been forced to tell the truth.

    If God was to grant me a last request before I died, I would ask for John Kerry to be questioned under oath for his part in the shameful slandering of millions of Vietnam veterans.

    One of Kerry's main conspirators, Kenneth Campbell, has been outed as the liar many Vietnam veterans have known he was for the past 35 years. :godisgood:
    I pray there will be others.
     
  12. Daisy

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    Don't take my word for it - it's right there for you to see.

    Sarcasm? I don't know the guy.

    Really? I think I'd go for world peace or universal salvation.

    Oh well, you probably think that the Swiftboat Vets are honest.
     
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    Do you have some objection to the truth being known about Kerry and his brigade of liars, Daisy?
     
  14. StraightAndNarrow

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    There are a lot of things I'd like to know the truth about. Who really was behind 9/11. What evidence do we have that the men we identified as the criminals actually did the crime. Why did we partially pull out of Afghanastan where we were really tracking bin Laden to attack Iraq for no good reason?
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member

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    It's possible you already have the answers, but they don't match what you wish to believe.:tonofbricks:
     
  16. hillclimber1

    hillclimber1 Active Member

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    I couldn't agree more
     
  17. Daisy

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    No, not at all, carpro. Truth is a good thing.

    I assume all sides will be deposed, but how will it be disclosed?
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member

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    I can understand why you would think so.
     
  19. Daisy

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    Hmm, you know, it was funnier when I did it.
     
  20. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

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    :laugh:

    I know what you mean.
     
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