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2 Peter 2:1 Cannot be referring to a saved believer

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AustinC, Oct 18, 2021.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    If God does not allow man to sin, is all the evil in this world something that God is incapable of stopping? Is God so weak as to not hold back rebellion against him?

    MB, all sin is done because of man's rebellion against God.
    If God did not mercifully allow humans to be in rebellion (sin, break God's law) then humanity would no longer exist. We all would be exterminated and dwelling in hell at this very moment.

    You make a false statement. You say "Allowance is endorsement." That is false. When I walk by a person shooting up heroin and allow him to keep shooting up, I am not endorsing heroin use. I am allowing that person to do that which is against the law and letting that person suffer the consequences. I am not sinning by allowing this junkie to shoot up.

    MB, you are confused, which explains why you cannot grasp what Reformed theology teaches. You think allowing sin to take place is endorsement of sin. No Reformed Christian holds that view. You are the only one making that claim.
     
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    IF he really does hold to God is not permitting sinners to commit sin, only recourse left is that God causes them all to commit sin!
     
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    The conclusion will be that God is too weak to stop it.
     
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    Ask your self those questions. I see Calvinist as the false prophets and teachers. Whether saved or not is between you and God. I can't see your heart but God can. Even Christians can be deceived.
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    But if what they really desire is only what God has decreed for them to desire then what? Who is the responsible one then? Your determinism betrays you once again.
     
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    I'm sorry you can't grasp basic English but that is not what I claimed and I have already told you that is not what I claimed. That brings you very close to the L word at this point.
     
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    Is this a trick question? So that you'll have something to laugh about.? How come your determinism doesn't answer these questions for you.?
    Men sin because of there own weakness to temptations. God tempts no man to sin. God does not allow sin. The ruler of this world is Satan not God. If God ruled this world there would be no more sin. When God sets up His kingdom there will be no more sinners left.

    Your problem is deception. You need to open your eyes before it's too late. Being deceived while having the Bible is Crazy... You take God's word and add your Calvinism to it then believe your Calvinism instead of what God actually says. You follow after the sayings of men and all they can do for you is mislead you. Follow Christ alone and you'll have the truth..
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    This is all David does. He criticizes those who questions him and tries to make them look stupid as if he is the know it all. We see you for who you are. Ignorant.
    MB
     
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    Just because you can quote a bible verse does not mean you are not anti biblical in your use of that verse. When I have presented clear scripture to you in various comments all you do is say well I disagree or you cherry pick a few words out of the comment. Even when I point out the error of you logic via bible text you still will not accept it. Just real sad.
     
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    This is really an ignorant statement. God gave man dominion over this earth and when Adam sinned Adam gave dominion to Satan by his sin.
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    >>all sin is done because of man's rebellion against God. If God did not mercifully allow humans to be in rebellion (sin, break God's law) then humanity would no longer exist.<<

    I fully agree >>all sin is done because of man's rebellion {the action or process of resisting authority} against God<< but how is that possible?
    Austin the words you are looking for are "God has given man a free will" so they can chose to rebel. The only other option that is open to you is that God has decreed all the sin in the world.
     
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    Be truthful and state that to you we are holding to a false Gospel and are not even saved!
     
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    satan overruled God then?
     
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    or that He causes it all to happen!
     
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    None in hell forced to go there by God!
     
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    You didn't read my post. You saw a few words and changed the meaning of what I said. This what you do with God's word too you change the meaning of what I said in order to by pass the truth. This is your deception you will not even consider truth.
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    Yes when they deny God.
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    Calvinists post endless "taint so" denials of their nullification of scripture after scripture. Ransom for all says Limited Atonement is bogus, so Calvinists are consistently "rejecting the scriptures" that teach this truth.
     
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    You are again being disingenuous. You are fully aware that I provide passages in their context and walk you through the process of why these passages mean what they mean and say what they say.

    Where we differ is you consistently philosophize the Bible, turning it around and around until it can fit with your philosophy, which you think is logical. I find your twisting to be foolishness of this world. Let us review scripture with scripture. Let us allow scripture to change our hearts. Let us throw away all philosophy of men. It is a waste of time and energy.
    Will you throw your philosophy to the curb?
     
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    On and on, falsehood after falsehood are posted by Calvinists. As I said, folks, the concept of bought but not given is beyond the capacity of any Calvinist to even comprehend. Although I have supported the concept, the Calvinist asks how do I support it.
    Did anyone say "bought" in 2 Peter 2:1 refers to being "redeemed?" Nope.
    Did the Calvinist quote where I clearly stated what "bought" referred to? Nope
    Why? Because no Calvinist can grasp the concept. They all seem to have been blinded by their indoctrination into the false doctrine of Calvinism.
     
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