2 Tim 2:15

The NKJV translators were ignorant to do so and harm the purpose and intent of the passage to encourage Timothy to be studious to the point of his being able to repove, rebuke, and exhort with all authority.

It amazes me the simplistic approach to the Scripture I see so often here.

Simplicity is an attribute, not a calling of God.:wavey:

 

Um, the same thing!:wavey:

 

No, the goal of the translators was to convey to the reader the purpose and intent of the mind of God so that the believer might know the will of God and act upon it accordingly.

The verb usage takes command of the language and insists the direction of Paul to Timothy to STUDY along with the exhortation to be diligent in his studies.

You're taking away the liberty of the preisthood of the believer and placing all authority into the hands of the modern translators.

FOUL!

 

Really?

2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,


2Ti 3:3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,


Why don't you go talk to some people today and tell them that they can know that we are in the last days because people are incontinent. They'll think that the popularity of "Depends" is a sign of the last days. :laugh:

 

A complete understanding of any term in use is never accomplished without taking the synonyms into consideration. The need as to aptly make application of every word used to conclude a comprehensive undrerstanding must be incorportated, else one is left to the mercy of those who dictate to the mind of those they consider to be unlearned and ignorant.

 

No. It simply means "be dilegent". You are adding to the word of God.

I have plenty of liberty as a believer to check a Greek Lexicon.

You got that right! :laugh:

 

Could you tranlate that??

Please use 1611 English is doing so.

 

You're dictating that people must understand that lack of self-control is limited to only bladder control.

I can only suppose that you want people to become ignorant.

When the context is taken into consideration, your use of the modern understanding cannot conclude that incontinence be limited to bladder control. Nice try, but not on this ballfield. You're OUT!

 

:laugh: You are a funny fellow.

 

No, actually I'm taking the context of the word of God into consideration without limiting the Holy One of Israel.

You sure do, but what is sad is you're trying to deny the liberty of the believer in limiting the Greek to only mean one thing while the context over-rules that demand.

The "mother's" preists have done much the same thing.

You might best consider the teaching of paul for Timothy to be diligent to study the word of God to relate to those he pastored rather than just being diligent alone in any endeavor. One might think Paul suggested Timothy to only be diligent as not to miss in the potty.

 

Eph 6:11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Jhn 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Hbr 4:12For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Would you like more?

 

Sigh. Paul was telling Timothy to be diligent to present the gospel in completeness and accuracey as he had been taught and as he knew it from the the word of God.
He was not telling Timothy to "study" as in seeking knowledge.

Diligence means "persistence in achieving a goal". The goal was to preach the truth of the gospel. The goal wasn't to study, in the sense that we understand study today.

There's your context.

 

No thanks. I have my own Bible.

I don't know how those verses explain that confusing post though.

 

Not completely, as the dealing with fables and old wives tales would demand study into their fallicies and also their realtion to truth as to negate the dependence upon them rather than the word of God for instruction in righteousness along with the need for salvation.

I'm amazed at how so many would limt the word of God to salvation only and not include intstruction in righteousness as the Scripture says.

The sense of study today means the same as then. Study requires diligence to be effective, to suggest it doesn't is just plain silly.:laugh:

 

Nothing confusing about what I said, just as there should be nothing to confuse anyone who reads your tag.

Your limited display of what you present regarding this issue goes against what you seem to want others to understand by having no height, depth, breadth, or the length which the word of God offers.

 

And God has His own Bible. I'd rather have a copy of His.:godisgood:

 

Well, I've made my point. over and out. :thumbs:

 

Look at the ridiculously outdated language recently used over at scienceline.org:

"no matter how studiously we floss and how often we visit our dentists"

Totally incomprehensible! Like anybody would know in this day and age (2008) what in the world they are trying to say.

 

I don't believe that is 1611 KJV...

 

What does God need a Bible for?