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Featured 3 Days & 3 Nights; & the Last Week of Jesus, Trials, Crucifixion, Death, Burial, Res.

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  1. One Baptism

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    3 Days & 3 Nights; & the Last Week of Jesus, Trials, Crucifixion, Death, Burial, Resurrection, and etc.

    This thread is to consider these things as closely as possible, so that the entire Body of Christ Jesus, his own people, may be of "one accord", "one mind" (Philippians 2:2, etc), "... no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive" (Ephesians 4:14), based upon the Scriptures, an "it is written" and "thus saith the LORD".

    Jesus said, "as Jonas was three days and three nights", The When? + Spices, etc?

    This thread is to consider the following words of Jesus as found recorded for us in Matthew 12:38-45, 16:1-12 and Luke 11:29-32:

    Context of Matthew 12:38-45:

    Matthew 12:38 - Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

    Matthew 12:39 - But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

    Matthew 12:40 - For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    Matthew 12:41 - The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.

    Matthew 12:42 - The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.

    Matthew 12:43 - When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

    Matthew 12:44 - Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth [it] empty, swept, and garnished.

    Matthew 12:45 - Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

    Context of Matthew 16:1-12:

    Matthew 16:1 - The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

    Matthew 16:2 - He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, [It will be] fair weather: for the sky is red.

    Matthew 16:3 - And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?

    Matthew 16:4 - A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

    Matthew 16:5 - And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.

    Matthew 16:6 - Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

    Matthew 16:7 - And they reasoned among themselves, saying, [It is] because we have taken no bread.

    Matthew 16:8 - [Which] when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?

    Matthew 16:9 - Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

    Matthew 16:10 - Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

    Matthew 16:11 - How is it that ye do not understand that I spake [it] not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

    Matthew 16:12 - Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

    Context of Luke 11:29-32:

    Luke 11:29 - And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

    Luke 11:30 - For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

    Luke 11:31 - The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon [is] here.

    Luke 11:32 - The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas [is] here.

    Ok, now we have the context of all three passages wherein are parallel texts. Let us now ask some questions of Scripture, and see what the answers are.
  2. One Baptism

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    First question.

    Who is asking Jesus for a "sign"?

    As answered from the King James Bible:

    "certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees" - Matthew 12:38

    "The Pharisees also with the Sadducees" - Matthew 16:1

    "them ... ye ..." - Matthew 16:2

    "ye ... [ye] ... ye ..." - Matthew 16:3

    "generation ... it ... them ..." - Matthew 16:4

    "the Pharisees and of the Sadducees" - Matthew 16:6

    "the Pharisees and of the Sadducees" - Matthew 16:11

    "the Pharisees and of the Sadducees" - Matthew 16:12

    And there were others listening also:

    "this generation ... it ... " - Matthew 12:41

    "this generation ... it ..." - Matthew 12:42

    "this ... generation." - Matthew 12:45

    "the people were gathered thick together" - Luke 11:29

    "this generation" - Luke 11:30

    "the men of this generation ... them ..." - Luke 11:31

    "this generation ... it ..." - Luke 11:32
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    Question 2.

    When Jesus referred to the "three days and three nights" of Jonas/Jonah, what specific text is He referring to in the Book of Jonah/Jonas?

    Answered from the Scripture:

    "Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." - Jonah 1:17
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    Question 3.

    What kind of people did Jesus say sought after the "sign"?


    "certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees" - Matthew 12:38

    "... them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign ... it ..." - Matthew 12:39

    "this generation ... it ... " - Matthew 12:41

    "this generation ... it ..." - Matthew 12:42

    "this wicked generation." - Matthew 12:45

    "The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting ... them ..." - Matthew 16:1

    "O [ye] hypocrites" - Matthew 16:3

    "A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign ... it ... them ..." - Matthew 16:4

    "... Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." - Matthew 16:6

    "... beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?" - Matthew 16:11

    "... not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." - Matthew 16:12

    "This is an evil generation: they seek a sign ... it ..." - Luke 11:29

    "... as ... unto the Ninevites ... this generation ..." - Luke 11:30

    "... the men of this generation ... condemn ... " - Luke 11:31

    "... this generation ... condemn ..." - Luke 11:32
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    Question 4.

    Though it was the "hypocrit[ical]", "evil", "wicked" and "adulterous" "generation" (even certain Pharisees, Sadducees and scribes, whom where leaven[ed] with false/corrupt "doctrine") that sought from Jesus a "sign", how many signs would actually be given it?


    "there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:" - Matthew 12:39

    "there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas" - Matthew 16:4

    "there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet" - Luke 11:29
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    Question 5.

    How many times, in these passages [Matthew 12:38-45, 16:1-12; Luke 11:29-32], or in all of Scripture, is the specific phrase, "in the heart of the earth" or "heart of the earth" found/used?


    Only once! Anyone may do a word study or search by any known method and see this.

    "... in the heart of the earth ..." - Matthew 12:40

    As an additional subpoint to this question and result of careful search, there is also no specific connection in Scripture, in any location, which relates that this term/phraseology "in the heart of the earth" to means specifically/only, "in the grave/tomb/sepulchre".

    What we can directly see, is the equative or parallel in the passage:

    "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." - Matthew 12:40

    This means there is a parallel being made by Jesus to the terms:

    [1] "For as ... in the whale's belly"
    [2] "so ... in the heart of the earth"

    There is nowhere in Scripture which specifically relates the term/phraseology "in the whale's belly" to means specifically/only, "in the grave/tomb/sepulchre" either.

    If any would like to attempt to disagree with that statement, please reply with the specific Scriptural/textual evidence that we ought to look at and consider which would possibly show otherwise than as stated. Thank you.
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    Question 6.

    What is the specific word for "heart", in the phrase "heart of the earth", in the Greek text, and what does it mean Scripturally?

    The answer is "καρδιαG2588 N-DSF"


    Prolonged from a primary κάρ kar (Latin cor, “heart”); the heart, that is, (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle: - (+ broken-) heart (-ed).​

    In Matthew 12:40 it is found as:

    "N-DSF" -

    Part of Speech: Noun
    Case: Dative
    Number: Singular
    Gender: Feminine ​

    As here -

    Matthew 12:40 Greek with Strong's #'s and Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes - ωσπερG5618 ADV γαρG1063 CONJ ηνG1510 V-IAI-3S ιωναςG2495 N-NSM ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF κοιλιαG2836 N-DSF τουG3588 T-GSN κητουςG2785 N-GSN τρειςG5140 A-APF ημεραςG2250 N-APF καιG2532 CONJ τρειςG5140 A-APF νυκταςG3571 N-APF ουτωςG3779 ADV εσταιG1510 V-FDI-3S οG3588 T-NSM υιοςG5207 N-NSM τουG3588 T-GSM ανθρωπουG444 N-GSM ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF καρδιαG2588 N-DSF τηςG3588 T-GSF γηςG1093 N-GSF τρειςG5140 A-APF ημεραςG2250 N-APF καιG2532 CONJ τρειςG5140 A-APF νυκταςG3571 N-APF

    Matthew 12:40 Greek - ωσπερ γαρ ην ιωνας εν τη κοιλια του κητους τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας ουτως εσται ο υιος του ανθρωπου εν τη καρδια της γης τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας​

    Utilizing the (so-called) LXX, as an help, we can turn to Genesis 6:5 LXX, and see the first [Alpha] use of the Greek "καρδια" used, even in the same form as Matthew 12:40, and continue looking at it from there:

    Genesis 6:5 LXX Greek with Strong's #'s and Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes - ιδωνG3708 V-AAPNS δεG1161 PRT κυριοςG2962 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM θεοςG2316 N-NSM οτιG3754 CONJ επληθυνθησανG4129 V-API-3P αιG3588 T-NPF κακιαιG2549 N-NPF τωνG3588 T-GPM ανθρωπωνG444 N-GPM επιG1909 PREP τηςG3588 T-GSF γηςG1065 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ παςG3956 A-NSM τιςG5100 I-NSM διανοειταιV-PMI-3S ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF
    καρδιαG2588 N-DSF αυτουG846 D-GSM επιμελωςG1960 ADV επιG1909 PREP ταG3588 T-APN πονηραG4190 A-APN πασαςG3956 A-APF ταςG3588 T-APF ημεραςG2250 N-APF

    Genesis 6:5 LXX Greek - Ἰδὼν δὲ κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὅτι ἐπληθύνθησαν αἱ κακίαι τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς καὶ πᾶς τις διανοεῖται ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ αὐτοῦ ἐπιμελῶς ἐπὶ τὰ πονηρὰ πάσας τὰς ἡμέρας,

    Genesis 6:5 KJV - And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    Genesis 6:5 Hebrew Text, which the Greek is based upon, with Strong's numbers - ויראH7200 יהוהH3068 כיH3588 רבהH7227 רעתH7451 האדםH120 בארץH776 וכלH3605 יצרH3336 מחשׁבתH4284 לבוH3820 רקH7535 רעH7451 כלH3605 היום׃H3117​


    A form of H3824; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything: - + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag [-eous], friend [-ly], ([broken-], [hard-], [merry-], [stiff-], [stout-], double) heart ([-ed]), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind (-ed), X regard ([-ed)], X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.​

    Thus we can see by Genesis 6:5, in their respective versions, that the word used ["καρδια" [Tr. kardia]/"לבו" [Tr. "labe"]], is associated with other words like "imagination" and "thoughts".

    Furthermore, we can see that this same exact form [N-DSF] of the Greek word is found in many other texts:

    New Testament, the Greek Texts:

    Mt 5:8, Mt 5:28, Mt 11:29, Mt 12:40, Mt 13:15, Mt 13:19, Mt 22:37, Mt 24:48, Mk 11:23, Lk 1:66, Lk 2:19, Lk 2:51, Lk 8:15, Lk 12:45, Lk 24:25, Lk 24:38, Jn 12:40, Acts 2:37, Acts 5:4, Acts 7:39, Acts 7:51, Acts 28:27, Rom 9:2, Rom 10:6, Rom 10:8, Rom 10:9, Rom 10:10, 1Cor 7:37, 2Cor 5:12, 2Cor 8:16, 2Cor 9:7, Eph 5:19, Phil 1:7, Col 3:16, 1Thes 2:17, Heb 3:10, Jas 3:14, Rv 18:7​

    Helpful to us, reveal out of the mind/heart/thinking/spirit of men, come words, and also actions -

    "...out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." - Matthew 12:34

    "A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things." - Matthew 12:35

    "And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?" - Mark 2:8

    "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." - Matthew 13:15

    Also see - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2588&t=KJV

    Old Testament, in the (so-called) LXX [Septuagint, Greek Version]...:

    Gn 6:5, Gn 20:5, Gn 20:6, Ex 25:2, Ex 31:6, Ex 35:5, Ex 35:10, Ex 36:2, Dt 6:6, Dt 8:2, Dt 8:5, Dt 8:14, Dt 8:17, Dt 9:4, Dt 15:9, Dt 15:10, Dt 18:21, Dt 19:6, Dt 20:8, Dt 28:47, Dt 29:18, Dt 30:14, Dt 32:46, JoB 2:11, JoB 23:14, JgsA 19:22, 1Kgs 1:13, 1Kgs 2:35, 1Kgs 7:3, 1Kgs 9:19, 1Kgs 12:20, 1Kgs 12:24, 1Kgs 21:13, 1Kgs 27:1, 1Kgs 29:10, 2Kgs 6:16, 2Kgs 7:3, 2Kgs 18:14, 3Kgs 2:4, 3Kgs 8:23, 3Kgs 8:48, 3Kgs 8:66, 3Kgs 10:2, 3Kgs 10:24, 3Kgs 12:26, 4Kgs 10:30, 4Kgs 10:31, 4Kgs 20:3, 4Kgs 23:3, 4Kgs 23:25, 1Chr 28:9, 1Chr 29:9, 2Chr 1:11, 2Chr 6:14, 2Chr 6:38, 2Chr 7:10, 2Chr 9:23, 2Chr 13:7, 2Chr 16:9, 2Chr 19:9, 2Chr 22:9, 2Chr 25:2, 2Chr 29:31, 2Chr 32:31, 2Chr 34:31, 2Chr 35:19b, 1Esd 1:21, 2Esd 7:10, 2Esd 7:27, Est 1:1l, ... , Ps 7:11, Ps 9:2, Ps 9:27, Ps 9:32, Ps 9:34, Ps 10:2, Ps 11:3, Ps 12:3, Ps 13:1, Ps 14:2, Ps 23:4, Ps 31:11, Ps 35:11, Ps 36:14, Ps 36:31, Ps 39:11, Ps 44:6, Ps 52:2, Ps 57:3, Ps 61:5, Ps 63:11, Ps 65:18, Ps 72:1, Ps 73:8, Ps 75:6, Ps 83:6, Ps 85:12, Ps 89:12, Ps 93:15, Ps 93:19, Ps 94:10, Ps 96:11, Ps 100:5, Ps 108:16, Ps 110:1, Ps 118:2, Ps 118:10, Ps 118:11, Ps 118:34, Ps 118:58, Ps 118:69, Ps 118:145, Ps 124:4, Ps 137:1, Ps 139:3, Ode 7:41, Ode 8:87, Prv 3:5, Prv 4:21, Prv 6:14, Prv 10:8, Prv 10:22, Prv 12:20, Prv 13:12, Prv 14:33, Prv 18:4, Prv 19:3, Prv 19:21, Prv 20:5, Prv 23:34, Prv 26:24, Prv 28:26, ... Jb 22:22, Jb 33:23, Jb 36:13, Jb 37:24, Jb 38:2, ... PsSol 1:3, PsSol 8:3, Hos 7:2, Ob 1:3, Zep 2:15, Is 6:10, Is 9:8, Is 38:3, Is 44:18, Is 44:19, Is 46:8, Is 47:7, Is 47:8, Is 47:10, Is 49:21, Is 51:7, Is 57:1, Is 60:5, Is 61:1, Jer 5:24, Jer 7:31, Jer 12:11, Jer 13:22, Jer 19:5, Jer 23:26, Jer 36:13, Jer 39:41, Ez 6:9, Ez 27:4, Ez 27:25, Ez 27:26, Ez 27:27, Ez 28:2, Ez 28:8, Ez 44:7, Ez 44:9, ..." ​

    Other forms of the Greek word may be found expressed here - http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?lemma=καρδία



    Going back to our current form of the Greek word [N-DSF], we see the same also in Matthew 13:15, as in other places:

    Matthew 13:15 with Strong's #'s - ForG1063 thisG5127 people'sG2992 heartG2588 is waxed gross,G3975 andG2532 their earsG3775 are dull of hearing,G191 G917 andG2532 theirG848 eyesG3788 they have closed;G2576 lest at any timeG3379 they should seeG1492 with their eyes,G3788 andG2532 hearG191 with their ears,G3775 andG2532 should understandG4920 with their heart,G2588 andG2532 should be converted,G1994 andG2532 I should healG2390 them.G846

    Mathew 13:15 Greek with Strong's #'sand Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes - επαχυνθηG3975 V-API-3S γαρG1063 CONJ ηG3588 T-NSF καρδιαG2588 N-NSF τουG3588 T-GSM λαουG2992 N-GSM τουτουG3778 D-GSM καιG2532 CONJ τοιςG3588 T-DPN ωσινG3775 N-DPN βαρεωςG917 ADV ηκουσανG191 V-AAI-3P καιG2532 CONJ τουςG3588 T-APM οφθαλμουςG3788 N-APM αυτωνG846 P-GPM εκαμμυσανG2576 V-AAI-3P μηποτεG3379 ADV-N ιδωσινG3708 V-2AAS-3P τοιςG3588 T-DPM οφθαλμοιςG3788 N-DPM καιG2532 CONJ τοιςG3588 T-DPN ωσινG3775 N-DPN ακουσωσινG191 V-AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ τηG3588 T-DSF καρδιαG2588 N-DSF συνωσινG4920 V-2AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ επιστρεψωσινG1994 V-AAS-3P καιG2532 CONJ ιασωμαιG2390 V-ADS-1S αυτουςG846 P-APM

    Matthew 13:15 Greek Text - επαχυνθη γαρ η καρδια του λαου τουτου και τοις ωσιν βαρεως ηκουσαν και τους οφθαλμους αυτων εκαμμυσαν μηποτε ιδωσιν τοις οφθαλμοις και τοις ωσιν ακουσωσιν και τη καρδια συνωσιν και επιστρεψωσιν και BAιασομαι TSιασωμαι αυτους​

    This time we see again that the people were to "understand" with "their heart". This again confirms the [Alpha] Genesis use, and further if we turn to last [Omega] use of this form of the Greek word, in Revelation 18:7, we see the words connected as, "she saith in her heart".

    Other uses/forms are also connected with the "spirit" - Psalms 51:10,17 of a man, and as such as that "he thinketh in his heart, so is he" - Proverbs 23:7, etc.
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    Question 7.

    What is the maximum and minimum amount of Scriptural time that the phrase "three days and three nights" can cover?

    The Scripture delineates when the Day [time] ends and when Night [time] begins, and what constitutes a standard Day:

    "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." - Genesis 1:5

    "Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;" - Job 38:12

    "And when the man rose up to depart, he, and his concubine, and his servant, his father in law, the damsel's father, said unto him, Behold, now the day draweth toward evening, I pray you tarry all night: behold, the day groweth to an end, lodge here, that thine heart may be merry; and to morrow get you early on your way, that thou mayest go home." - Judges 19:9

    "But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." - Judges 19:25

    "And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils." -Mark 1:32

    "Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us," - Luke 1:78

    *Jesus is called the "Sun of Righteousness" which would "arise" - Malachi 4:2, etc

    How can we find out if there are a specific number of hours in a standard Day, with evening [dark] and morning [light]? Let us turn again to Scripture:

    "Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world." - John 11:9

    Jesus said that there are normally "twelve hours" in the standard "day" (light) time, which would also mean that there would be "twelve hours" also for the Night time.

    God from the beginning, Genesis, had separated the Light and Dark parts of the Day equally, and as through seasons came, the hours of each would fluctuate between one another.

    However, the Scripture also includes mere portions of any given part of "day" or "night" time to count as a day. For instance, a male child could be born in the beginning, middle or nearing the end of the daytime, and it would still be counted as the first day, unto his eighth to be circumcised.

    For instance - Genesis 7:4,10, 17:12, 42:17-19; 2 Chronicles 10:5,12; Esther 4:16, 5:1; Luke 1:59, 2:21; Acts 10:3-30, etc, for as seen therein, parts of days are inclusive in the reckoning of the time frames.

    Thus the Maximum Time that the "day and night" portion of a single day [without Divine intervention] can be is 24 hrs and so the Maximum Time of the phrase "three days and three nights" could be 72 hours.

    Night - 12 Hours
    Day - 12 Hours
    Night - 12 Hours
    Day - 12 Hours
    Night - 12 Hours
    Day - 12 Hours​

    The Minimum time then for a single "day and night" could then be any portion of that "day" and any portion of that "night", thus even a measurement of mere minutes. Thus any could count from 1 minute to Sunset, and 1 minute after Sunset, and still accurately represent the singular phrase "day and night" in a given context.

    Notice that it does not have to be the Maximum, nor of the Minimum, but anywhere at either end and in between.

    Context will always determine for us how to proceed in determining whether we need to understand the Maximum, the Minimum or somewhere in between them.

    We also know that we are not merely dealing with a single "day and night", but rather "three days and three nights".

    This means that the Maximum amount of time can only be 72 hrs, being consecutive in time due to context, but that the Minimum amount of time can be approximately 48 hrs and 2 minutes, or even mere seconds in technicality or if under Rabbinical time - when the 3rd star visibly appears. See the inclusive reckoning:

    Night - 1 minute before daylight, sunrise, etc
    Day - 12 hours
    Night - 12 hours
    Day - 12 hours
    Night - 12 hours
    Day - 1 minute after daylight, sunrise, etc​

    There are other uses of the word Day, in Scripture which are also representative of either [1] Prophetic time or [2] of time "with the LORD". In those specific instances then, a "Day", being both of the "light" and "dark" parts:

    Prophetic time:

    [1] "each day for a year" - Numbers 14:34; Ezekiel 4:6, etc.

    These speak when God is dealing with Prophetic time, but notice that the Prophetic time is based in the Literal 24hr Day of Genesis.​

    Day with the LORD time:

    [2] "one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" - 2 Peter 3:8

    "For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night." - Psalms 90:4

    * Please note that 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalms 90:4 do not speak of plurality of thousand, but singular. These passages speak of the "Days" "with the LORD", from Creation, since this earth is approx 6,000 years old as of this point, and there is to come a final 1,000th year, being the 7,000th year, found in Revelation 20. These "Days" "with the LORD" are again based in the 7 Literal Days of Genesis. Hence the final "Day", the 7th Day of the Cosmic Week of God is known as the "Day of the LORD", being based in the LORD's Day, the 7th Day Sabbath of the Week, in point of fact, the entire Gospel and history from the beginning unto the end is in Genesis 1:1 unto 2:1-3, and this may be demonstrated in the history is repeating thread - http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99104

    It is obvious we are not dealing with either of these two in the "three days and three nights" of Jonah/Jonas, since the context reveals that we are dealing with regular days - Jesus basing His "three days and three nights" in the foundation of Jonas'.

    "Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." - Jonah 1:17

    "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." - Matthew 12:40

    We simply have to understand the Events of Jonah, and where we are to begin counting for Jesus' "three days and three nights", which are based in Jonah's historical events. We will need to further consider what the "heart of the earth" is, rather than what it is not, in relation to Jonah being in the Sea Creature.
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    Question 8.

    Is there any place in the Texts of Jonah/Jonas, that are similar to the phrase "heart of the earth" as Jesus stated?

    There is such a place in Jonah:

    literally reading, "in the heart of the seas"


    "For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me." - Jonah 2:3

    Jonah 2:3 KJB with Strong's Numbers - "For thou hadst castH7993 me into the deep,H4688 in the midstH3824 of the seas;H3220 and the floodsH5104 compassed me about:H5437 allH3605 thy billowsH4867 and thy wavesH1530 passedH5674 overH5921 me. "

    Jonah 2:3 [2:4] ותשׁליכניH7993 מצולהH4688 בלבבH3824 ימיםH3220 ונהרH5104 יסבבניH5437 כלH3605 משׁבריךH4867 וגליךH1530 עליH5921 עברו׃H5674

    Jonah 2:3 [2:4] LXX Greek - ἀπέρριψάς με εἰς βάθη καρδίας θαλάσσης, καὶ ποταμοί με ἐκύκλωσαν· πάντες οἱ μετεωρισμοί σου καὶ τὰ κύματά σου ἐπ᾿ ἐμὲ διῆλθον.

    Jonah 2:3 [2:4] LXX Greek with Strong's Numbers and Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes - απερριψαςV-AAI-2S μεG1473 P-AS ειςG1519 PREP βαθηG899 N-APN καρδιαςG2588 N-GSF θαλασσηςG2281 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ ποταμοιG4215 N-NPM μεG1473 P-AS εκυκλωσανG2944 V-AAI-3P παντεςG3956 A-NPM οιG3588 T-NPM μετεωρισμοιN-NPM σουG4771 P-GS καιG2532 CONJ ταG3588 T-NPN κυματαG2949 N-NPN σουG4771 P-GS επG1909 PREP εμεG1473 P-AS διηλθονG1330 V-AAI-3P​

    We may see a connection between "heart" and "midst" in another verse, such as:

    "The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it." - Isaiah 19:1

    We now have a connection between "in the heart of the earth" in Matthew 12:40, with "in the midst [heart] of the seas" in Jonah 2:3, even as Jesus said, "For as Jonas was ... in the whale's belly", and "so shall the Son of man be ... in the heart of the earth."

    Therefore, we need to take a look at the connection between "of the earth" and "whale's belly", and what those are, and to also find the connection to "heart" in both cases, dealing with "the earth" and "the seas" or "the floods" and "thy billows", "thy waves" according to Scripture.
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    Question 9.

    Is the statement made by Jesus in Matthew 12:40 a prophecy?

    "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." - Matthew 12:40

    Yes, but it is a special type of Prophecy, a typological [dealing with type/antitype] one.

    Notice carefully the prophecy [events of the future] that is clearly given:

    "so shall the Son of man be" - Matthew 12:40

    "shall ... be" [future tense], and thus Prophetic.

    Now notice the typological aspect of the Prophecy [the historic past portion which was to be repeated in anti-type, or greater reality/fulfillment]:

    "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly ..." - Matthew 12:40

    "for as Jonas was ..." [past tense] and typological, utilizing a past historic person and the events therein now utilized for a yet future event anti-typically.

    This means we can consider passages Matthew 12:40, and Jonah, etc in that light and look for those things which help us identify terms typologically and/or prophetically speaking.

    For example, the "whale" is a great sea creature, a sea beast. A Beast/Creature in prophetic terms is generally a politically gathered people group/nation/kingdom [Genesis 49:9; Isaiah 27:1, 46:11; Jeremiah 4:7, 5:6, 12:8, 25:38, 49:19, 50:44; Ezekiel 17:3,7, 32:2; Daniel 7:7,19,23, 8:20,21; Joel 1:6; Micah 5:8; Revelation 13:1,2,3,7,11,12, 17:3,7,8,11,12, etc], and even the Egyptians were called as such:

    Notice, God the Greatest Fisherman [doesn't Jesus know how to fish? ask Peter and them...]:

    "Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou [art] as a whale in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers." - Ezekiel 32:2

    Not only was this a prophecy of the past, but so also of the Future (events transpiring now; Daniel 11:40-45, 12:1, etc), and of the end of Satan himself.​

    "Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net." - Ezekiel 32:3

    "Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee." - Ezekiel 32:4

    "And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height." - Ezekiel 32:5

    "I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, [even] to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee." - Ezekiel 32:6

    "And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light." - Ezekiel 32:7

    "All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD." - Ezekiel 32:8

    "I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known." - Ezekiel 32:9

    "Yea, I will make many people amazed at thee, and their kings shall be horribly afraid for thee, when I shall brandish my sword before them; and they shall tremble at [every] moment, every man for his own life, in the day of thy fall." - Ezekiel 32:10

    "For thus saith the Lord GOD; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee." - Ezekiel 32:11

    "By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed." - Ezekiel 32:12

    "I will destroy also all the beasts thereof from beside the great waters; neither shall the foot of man trouble them any more, nor the hoofs of beasts trouble them." - Ezekiel 32:13

    "Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD." - Ezekiel 32:14

    "When I shall make the land of Egypt desolate, and the country shall be destitute of that whereof it was full, when I shall smite all them that dwell therein, then shall they know that I [am] the LORD." - Ezekiel 32:15

    "This [is] the lamentation wherewith they shall lament her: the daughters of the nations shall lament her: they shall lament for her, [even] for Egypt, and for all her multitude, saith the Lord GOD." - Ezekiel 32:16

    "It came to pass also in the twelfth year, in the fifteenth [day] of the month, [that] the word of the LORD came unto me, saying," - Ezekiel 32:17

    "Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, [even] her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit." - Ezekiel 32:18


    "In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that [is] in the sea." - Isaiah 27:1

    "And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel." - Isaiah 27:12

    Now that we have seen that a "nation" can be described as a "whale", a sea creature, let us see how that helps us in Matthew 12:40 and in Jonah, and how it helps us in relating the other terms, "in the heart of the earth", "in the midst [heart] of the seas", "whale's belly", "the floods", "thy billows" and "thy waves".

    First, let us consider this "earth" and what that means. The "earth" [γηςG1093 N-GSF; earth, land, inhabited places, etc] - https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G1093&t=KJV

    Using the Scripture, in "line upon line" [Isaiah 28:10] we can see that the "earth" can mean peoples therein, even "[men] ... among the nations":

    "Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let [men] say among the nations, The LORD reigneth." - 1 Chronicles 16:31

    "All that pass by clap [their] hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, [saying, Is] this the city that [men] call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?" - Lamentations 2:15

    "Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth." - Psalm 96:13

    "Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity." - Psalm 98:9

    "The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth [between] the cherubims; let the earth be moved." - Psalm 99:1

    "And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs [that are] left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped." - Isaiah 10:14

    "Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it." - Isaiah 34:1

    "Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, [even] the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it." - Jeremiah 6:19

    "Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness against you, the Lord from his holy temple." - Micah 1:2

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    Now consider again Matthew 13:15, wherein the same word "heart" is used in the same fashion:

    "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." - Matthew 13:15

    The phrase "in the heart of the earth", means in the thoughts/mind/heart of the peoples/nations, as Jonas was such a sign.

    "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else." - Isaiah 45:22

    "And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this [child] is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;" - Luke 2:34

    "(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed." - Luke 2:35

    "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me." - John 12:32

    It means, Jesus would be taken, and be in the centermost attention of all the heart of the peoples, yea, even the whole world [even the onlooking unfallen universe].

    Consider again in this instance of "seas", "floods", "billows" and "waves":

    What are "seas"?

    "And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good." - Genesis 1:10

    "For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods." - Psalm 24:2​

    What then are "waters"?

    "Woe to the multitude of many people, [which] make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, [that] make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!" - Isaiah 17:12

    "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, ... are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." -Revelation 17:15

    Therefore, Jesus was to be "swallowed up" by the mob [for many people were in Jerusalem from all over for the feasts], a "whale" [great sea creature; a specific nation], among the many "waters", "seas" [peoples] and taken into its/their control, taking him where it/they would (from trial to trial, scourging to scourging), down to the depths...

    This is exactly fulfilled in the life of Jesus, beginning in the Garden of Gethsemane, where he is taken captive...

    "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?" - Psalm 2:1

    "The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying]," - Psalm 2:2

    "Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever." - Jude 1:13

    But many "waters" could not "quench love":

    "Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it: if [a] man would give all the substance of his house for love, it would utterly be contemned." - Song of Songs 8:7

    "The floods have lifted up, O LORD, the floods have lifted up their voice; the floods lift up their waves." - Psalm 93:3

    "The LORD on high [is] mightier than the noise of many waters, [yea, than] the mighty waves of the sea." - Psalm 93:4​

    There is more to yet see, for we need to look at the Jonas type and compare to the anti-type events, and see if this truly fits.
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    Question 10.

    Was Jonah/Jonas awake (alive) or asleep/fainted (swooned unto death) when he was thrown into the sea and swallowed by the Great Sea Creature?

    Jonah was very much awake and alert when he was thrown into the sea and swallowed by the Great Sea Creature ("Whale", etc), even for a long time before he "fainted".

    Notice the typological words, events, even as they truly point to Christ Jesus, and the events surrounding Him!

    "Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee." - Jonah 1:14

    Jonah is awake, even speaking, when thrown into the Sea:

    "And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest [is] upon you." - Jonah 1:12

    "So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging." - Jonah 1:15

    Jonah is awake when the Great Sea Creature swallows him:

    "Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." - Jonah 1:17

    Jonah is still awake and praying from out of the midst of the belly/bowels of he Great Sea Creature:

    "Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly," -Jonah 2:1

    Jonah is still awake and cries unto the LORD because of his affliction that he is experiencing while awake:

    "And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice." - Jonah 2:2

    Jonah still being awake, recognizes that he is in the "heart"/midst of the Seas and the waters of the sea are over his head, and pass over him:

    "For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me." - Jonah 2:3

    Jonah is still awake, in praying and crying, looking unto the greater Holy Temple, which is in Heaven, being made by the LORD:

    "Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple." - Jonah 2:4

    That typifies the separation of Father and Son at the Cross, being "cast out of thy sight", because of sin, "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity..." (Habakkuk 1:13), "For he hath made him to be sin for us" (2 Corinthians 5:21) and "he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows" (Isaiah 53:4), "Christ died for our sins" (1 Corinthians 15:3), "his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree" (1 Peter 2:24), "Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many" (Hebrews 9:28), see Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34; Psalms 22:1, and see also another typological one in Samson, Judges 16:20, etc. Just as Jonah was thrown into the Sea to appease the wrath/storm of God, so too Jesus, chose(n) to be a sacrifice, for our sins.

    Jonah is still awake and recounts how even the waters surround his entire being, and had weeds even wrapped about his head in the belly of the Great Sea Creature:

    "The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head." - Jonah 2:5

    Jonah still being awake, realizes that he is being taken to the very bottom, before he states that his "soul fainted within" in vs 7.

    "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God." - Jonah 2:6

    Before Jonah "fainted", he prayed one last time, giving thanksgiving in v 9, and "remembered the LORD" in vs 7:

    "But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD." - Jonah 2:9

    Therefore, we see that Jonah was awake most of the time, suffering in "affliction", vs 2, was praying, vs 1, crying, vs 2, understood his condition and surroundings, vss 1-6,9, until he "fainted"/fell asleep, being taken to the bottom, and then "the earth with her bars" begin about him.

    Yet after such, then Jonah says God "brought up my life from corruption", vs 6, being a reference to when God "spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land", vs 10, all together, being the "salvation of the LORD", vs 9

    Yet there is even more...
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    Question 11.

    What does it mean when the text says that Jonah "fainted", and if no longer awake, thus asleep, what does the Bible say that it represents?

    Let us look at the text again:

    "When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple." - Jonah 2:7

    This word used is also found in various places, with the following:

    "From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to the rock that is higher than I." - Psalms 61:2

    "I remembered God, and was troubled: I complained, and my spirit was overwhelmed. Selah." - Psalms 77:3

    "Hungry and thirsty, their soul fainted in them." - Psalms 107:5

    "When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path. In the way wherein I walked have they privily laid a snare for me." - Psalms 142:3

    "Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate." - Psalms 143:4

    "Mine eyes do fail with tears, my bowels are troubled, my liver is poured upon the earth, for the destruction of the daughter of my people; because the children and the sucklings swoon in the streets of the city." - Lamentations 2:11

    "They say to their mothers, Where [is] corn and wine? when they swooned as the wounded in the streets of the city, when their soul was poured out into their mothers' bosom." - Lamentations 2:12

    "Arise, cry out in the night: in the beginning of the watches pour out thine heart like water before the face of the Lord: lift up thy hands toward him for the life of thy young children, that faint for hunger in the top of every street." - Lamentations 2:19

    In the (co-called) LXX, the Greek word used is "ἐκλείπω", ekleipw, and is also found used in Luke 16:9, 22:32, 23:45; Hebrews 1:12 and means to "fail" or cease/stop of some action or of life.

    It also carries the meaning of 'deceased' [cease of life, physically, or metaphorically], 'be wanting', 'abandon', 'quit', 'left out' or to 'fail of strength' [of heart or physically], 'grow weak' and to be in 'hunger' or 'thirst' and is found used in many other places - http://lexicon.katabiblon.com/index.php?search=E)KLEI/PW

    Jesus, the man of sorrows:

    "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not." - Isaiah 53:3

    "[[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?" - Psalm 22:1

    "O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent." - Psalm 22:2

    "I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels." - Psalm 22:14

    "My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death." - Psalm 22:15​

    Jesus said:

    "After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst." - John 19:28

    Then after one more thing, He said "it is finished" and died, to be shortly "taken down", and then carefully placed in the tomb, where "the earth with her bars" would be about him.
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    Question 12.

    Why did Jesus say that He was "greater than Jonas/Jonah" - Matthew 12:41; Luke 11:32?

    Though Jonah was one of the Greatest Prophets, for at his preaching what God commanded be spoken, a whole wicked city, Nineveh, repented in sackcloth and ashes, and God spared them!

    "And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." - Jonah 3:4

    "So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them." - Jonah 3:5

    "For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered [him] with sackcloth, and sat in ashes." - Jonah 3:6

    "And he caused [it] to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:" - Jonah 3:7

    "But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that [is] in their hands." - Jonah 3:8

    "Who can tell [if] God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?" - Jonah 3:9

    "And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not." - Jonah 3:10

    Even as Jonah preached unto repentance, and many were converted, so too with Christ Jesus, and many believed on Him after the resurrection – for He is greater than the prophet Jonah [Matthew 12:41; Luke 11:32], for even today, many are still believing on Him, being delivered of the destruction to come upon the unrepentant.

    Yet, by the Preaching of Jesus, through his Life, Death, Resurrection and Ascension to become our Great High Priest and Minister in the True Heavenly Sanctuary for us, that He would one day soon before His Second Advent as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, blot out the sins recorded of the Faithful, that untold peoples, a "great crowd" that no man could number, would Repent, and be spared the wrath of God.

    Let us prayerfully think about it. People are still repenting today at the preaching of Jesus.

    Jesus truly is the far greater Prophet [and so also the far greater Priest and the far greater King].

    Do we see, from the Scripture itself, that there must of necessity be events included in the “Three Days and Three Nights” reckoning, such as being taken by the mob, the scourgings, trials, etc of Jesus, even before the Cross itself or Burial?

    It must be so, for it must parallel in greater fashion, the type, the pattern, the shadow of Jonah/Jonas, for it to have been a sign unto the wicked generation, that it may be toward their repentance and salvation from destruction. Yet, we also see the further type, that just like Nineveh repented, eventually the wicked in Nineveh were later destroyed [as Prophesied, Nahum 1, etc], even as those in Jerusalem were also later destroyed.

    Jesus was in the very midst of the world, in the midst of His people [John 1:1-18], and everyone’s focus [Matthew 4:24, 9:26,31; Mark 1:28,45; Luke 4:14,37, 5:15, etc], including even the angels of Heaven [Genesis 28:12; John 1:51; 1 Peter 1:12], would be upon Him.

    As an additional point for thought, it was earlier said of Jesus:

    “The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.” - John 12:19

    [now compare that statement (John 12:19) to Daniel 11:43 and also to the first Beast in Revelation 13:3, in its counterfeit of Christ, for is it not written that all the world will wonder after the Beast?, yes see the Great counterfeits here- http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2210279&postcount=37 ]
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    Jesus, the “lamb of God” [Genesis 22:8; John 1:29,36; Revelation 5:6, etc] or “Passover” [1 Corinthians 5:7] died, even as the one True Sacrifice [Hebrews, etc], of which all of the shadow/typical/ensamples pointed to [Colossians 2:17; Hebrews 8:5, 10:1, etc].

    "But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled." - Acts 3:18​

    Let us notice that Acts 3:18, speaks that “all of his [God's] prophets” foretold that “Christ should suffer”.

    This means we ought to be able to go to the Old Testament to see if it speaks of this suffering. For instance:

    "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." - Romans 5:14

    That word "figure" is the Greek word "τύπος", Tr. "tupos", or in English, Type, or past examples we were to see again in further detail, greater fashion, see 1 Corinthians 10:6,11; Philippians 3:17; Hebrews 8:5, and more.

    The real historical events of the great prophet Jonah/Jonas in the Old Testament are a type, a pattern, a shadow which were to point to the reality, the substance of the fulfillment of prophecy and typology in Christ Jesus, even as it is written, and as we have seen:

    "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." - John 5:39

    "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." - Luke 24:27

    "Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph." - John 1:45

    "And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening." - Acts 28:23

    "Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [it is] written of me," - Psalm 40:7

    "Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God." - Hebrews 10:7

    This may be seen throughout all the New Testament, an incomplete list, but helpful:

    Matthew 1:22, 2:5,7,15-17,23, 3:3,15, 4:14,17, 5:17, 8:17, 11:13, 12:17,39, 13:17,35, 16:4,21, 21:4, 24:15,34, 26:18,54,56, 27:9,35;

    Mark 1:2,15, 13:4,14, 14:41,49, 15:28;

    Luke 1:20,38,70,76, 2:43, 3:4, 4:17-21, 9:51, 10:24, 11:29,50, 12:56, 16:16,29,31, 18:31, 19:44, 21:22,24,32, 22:16, 24:25,27,44;

    John 1:23,45, 5:39, 6:14,45, 7:6,8,40, 12:38, 13:18, 15:25, 16:4,25, 17:12,13, 18:9,32, 19:24,28,36;

    Acts 2:16,30, 3:18,21-24, 7:37, 8:28-35, 10:43, 13:22,23,27-41, 15:15, 17:2-3, 18:28, 26,22, 24:14, 26:22,27, 28:23;

    Romans 1:2-4, 3:21, 5:6, 13:11, 16:26;

    1 Corinthians 15:3-4;

    2 Corinthians 6:2;

    Galatians 4:2-4;

    Ephesians 2:20, 3:11;

    1 Thessalonians 2:15;

    1 Timothy 2:6;

    Hebrews 1:1, 8:5, 9:9,10,28;

    1 Peter 1:10,11;

    2 Peter 1:21, 3:2;

    Revelation 1:3,22:10.​

    Therefore, Jesus knowing these things, and speaking of Jonas/Jonah specifically, we then are able to compare the last days of Jesus before and up to his Resurrection and events therein with the real events in the life of Jonah, and one may do this even as He had from Adam, in all the lives of the patriarchs and onward.

    I want to leave everyone with a few more examples of this typology, just so that we all have an idea of how this works Scripturally, and so that when we come back to the timeline of Christ, one more typology will solidfy a key point in this.

    Here are at two already given, and I will present a few more afterwards-

    [1] Moses (short) - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2212064&postcount=9

    [2] Samson (short) - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2212065&postcount=10

    [3] Solomon (really short, look up the texts, it will be fun!) -

    Solomon - King, Throne, Glory, etc
    Jesus - King, Throne, Glory, etc

    Solomon - Spake in Proverbs/Parables/Dark Sayings
    Jesus - Spake in Proverbs/Parables/Dark Sayings

    Solomon - Son of man
    Jesus - Son of man

    Solomon - Son of David
    Jesus - Son of David

    Solomon - Name means "Peace"
    Jesus - "Prince of Peace", one which brings Peace from Enmity

    Solomon - Wise
    Jesus - Wise, even Wisdom

    Solomon - Had the Gentiles seek unto him for Wisdom, Queen of Sheba, etc
    Jesus - Had the Gentiles seek unto him for Wisdom, Cornelius, etc

    Solomon - Built the Temple
    Jesus - Built the Temple

    Solomon - Married a Woman of the world, typified by Egypt, coming from Egypt to Canaan
    Jesus - Marrying a Woman which came from the world, His Bride, typified coming from Egypt [world] to Canaan [Heaven]

    Solomon - Life was in danger because of Jealous relatives, His own brethren, Adonijah, etc
    Jesus - Life was in danger because of Jealous relatives, His own brethren, He came unto His own, etc.

    Solomon - Rode upon a Mule
    Jesus - Rode upon an ass, an Colt, Foal of an ass

    Solomon - Anointed
    Jesus - Anointed

    Solomon - His Kingdom had peace on all borders
    Jesus - His Kingdom will have peace on all borders

    Solomon - Merciful to His enemies, and also Just when they crossed the line of Mercy
    Jesus - Merciful to His enemies, and also Just, in the same

    Solomon - Cast out the Priest from being Priest, Abiathar, from the Temple
    Jesus - Cast out the Priests and moneychangers, and also took away the High Priest from Caiphas, etc

    Solomon - Loved the Lord, and obey His statutes [in His youth, and later after repenting, afterall it is type]
    Jesus - Loved the Father, and kept His commandments [yet he took upon Himself our sins, being made sin for us]

    Solomon - Had 12 Officers over all [Physical] Israel
    Jesus - 12 Apostles over all [Spiritual] Israel

    Solomon - Servants which served him
    Jesus - Jesus also, for we are all servants, and some with distinction, 'Deacon' - means servant, etc.

    Solomon - Great Army, Many Chariots
    Jesus - All the Angels of Heaven, Legions upon Legions, the Lord rideth upon the wings of the wind, His Chariots, are the Angels.​

    and so on.

    The same may be Done for Adam, Seth, Noah, Abraham (really good one, for Mt. Moriah and the sacrifice, is where Jerusalem was to be, look at the details in context, powerful), Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Daniel, Jonah, etc (even Paul also!).

    Allow me to leave one more shining example so that we truly understand this. It will be Joseph.
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    Typological - Joseph:

    In the events of Joseph's life is so clearly seen the life of the Messiah Jesus. In Jesus' own life there was a Joseph (step father; husband to Mary) and Joseph of Arimathaea, Jesus is surrounded by Josephs. Joseph is given dreams, and the step father of Jesus is also given dreams.

    Joseph is the first born of Rachel (Rachel means a "ewe", a female Lamb, she bares a male, in type the "male lamb", firstborn) (Jesus is the Lamb of God), and Joseph is a miracle child for Rachel at first bare no children (even as other patriarchs wives before her) (Jesus is a miracle child, the 7th in scripture). Joseph's name means "YHVH will add" (and Rachel also had a second son, Benjamin, meaning "Son of the Right Hand"), and so we have in these two names, coming from the "ewe", "YHVH has added [to me] the Son of His Right Hand" (as we may see in Genesis 30:24, 35:24), and as we consider the very names found given in the scriptures, we see a special (Gospel) order given in Revelation 7 of those names of the sons of Jacob (see to come).

    Joseph is the beloved son of Jacob (Israel) and is given a robe (garment of character) of many colors (the very symbol of the everlasting covenant, rainbow) even in his "old age", he being a representative of the "ancient of days" with a special son (Jesus is the only begotten son of the Father, who is the one who made the everlasting covenant, for he is the messenger of the covenant):

    "Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he [was] the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of [many] colours." Genesis 37:3

    Joseph was special in that he was specially chosen of God, and was given visions of prophecy and future glory, and able to interpret them (Jesus is a prophet, foretold even by Moses to come, for as Jesus said, "Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am [he]." John 13:19; He tells the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:9-10), notice that the word "[he]" is not present in the Greek, and realize what is actually being said), and all would bow to him (even as it is said of Jesus, "...That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Philippians 2:10 ).

    In the scriptures, in the life of Joseph, there is no specific recorded sin of his (though scripture is clear that all except Christ Jesus have sinned), but scripture makes the correlation that Joseph is the type of He who was to come, spotless. Joseph loved his family, his father and brothers, even though his brothers were cruel unto him and hated him.

    Joseph (the son) is sent by the Father (Israel, the ancient of days) unto His brethren, of whom he is related by flesh:

    "And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed [the flock] in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here [am I]." Genesis 37:13

    The brothers of Joseph, because of envy and jealousy and pride, plotted to be rid of him, even kill him (even as seen of the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes in the days of Christ Jesus as they did to him):

    "And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him." Genesis 37:18

    "Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams". Genesis 37:20

    Joseph was taken, thrown into a pit, a hole (Jesus placed in a pit, and into a grave), and his robes are torn and covered in the blood of a killed kid of goat (goat is the symbol of the sin offering, as it is on the day of atonement; Leviticus 16; Christ Jesus it is said, "For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin..." 2 Corinthians 5:21), and though Joseph did not die there (though in the events he is made to be dead), in type he comes out alive of the pit (Jesus too comes out of the grave alive) and is exalted (even as Joseph was exalted over the whole house of Pharaoh).

    Prophetic utterance by Judah:

    "And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit [is it] if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?" Genesis 37:26

    And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; Genesis 37:31 (see also Jesus, "And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:13), Jesus was stripped of his robe (pure white robe, perfect righteousness) and even a scarlet robe was placed upon him (And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe. Matthew 27:28). The blood stained robe is presented to the Father (Israel), to cover the sin of Josephs brethren in what they had done to the favored son.

    Joseph is betrayed by his brethren, and sold for the price of a slave in the amount of silver (in this instance, 20 (room for inflation), but in the events of Samson, more silver pieces); and Christ Jesus is betrayed into the hands of the enemy and sold for the price of a slave, 30 pieces of silver. Prophecy and typology combine perfectly. Even as Judah betrayed, Judas betrayed.

    Notice that he was taken down into Egypt (Hosea 11:; Matthew 2:15), and even by those that were carrying "spices, balm and myrrh" (Genesis 37:25), even as Jesus before going down into Egypt as a small child, was met by the wisemen of the east, which brought before him, "gold and frankincense and myrrh" (Matthew 2:11).

    Joseph is tempted by a seducer, and is yet victorious over temptation, though he is falsely charged of crime and sin and is later vindicated. Jesus was victorious over all temptation and falsely charged and is vindicated.

    Joseph is then cast into prison (representative again of the grave), and is seen as being condemned between two other men (cupbearer and baker) and with the wicked, one of the two men is restored and the other condemned to death, even as the two thieves upon the crosses next to Christ Jesus, one will be restored in the resurrection to come, and the other is lost.

    Joseph is then brought before Pharaoh, and prophecies of coming disaster, and yet Joseph is in the position to be able to save them all from dying, and so is made ruler over all of his household, bearing authority, at the age of 30 and even raised up as Judge over his brethren. Jesus too, as prophecy and typology foretells (Numbers 4) that Jesus too would be 30 years of Age at the beginning of His ministry (AD 27), the age a man had to be to begin the priestly work in the tabernacle and is the "Judge of all the earth".

    Joseph tests his brothers by a cup, and even gives to them of the money they paid for their bread. Jesus at the last supper also has a cup, and even speaks to James and John of the cup they were to drink from, even as Christ Jesus drank from the cup that the Father had given Him to drink. Christ Jesus offers salvation really, without price, and cannot be bought with any amount.

    Joseph forgives his brethren and feeds them all, and the whole land (vast multitudes) grain (bread) even in the time of famine, and though testing their loyalty, and to see if they have had a change of heart, reveals himself to them when He sees their converted hearts, and kisses them. He brings them all into the land of plenty and the fertile plains and there is great rejoicing. Jesus asks of the Father forgiveness for his people, and dying is the sacrifice for sin, so that we too may be taken into the land of plenty and fertile plains. Jesus is that manna, that bread, from Heaven, which feedeth His people of the true bread of life, the words of God, Jesus feeds the multitudes.

    Joseph is for a time separated from the Father, but is restored. Christ Jesus upon the Cross is too separated from the Father (Psalms 22), but is restored.

    Joseph's bones and body were carefully preserved and protected, and were not to be buried in Egypt, even as Christ Jesus, being that uncorrupted manna that is preserved forever (saw no corruption), no bones were broken (type of the passover Lamb), and his body carefully taken down from the cross and preserved by Joseph of Arimathaea and others. Joseph was a shepherd for the flocks of His father, Jesus is the Good Shepherd.

    Joseph was not immediately recognized by his brethren and treated as a stranger, Jesus came unto His own (the people He chose out for himself), and His own knew him not. Even upon the road to Emaus, later he was only known in the breaking of Bread. Both were filled by the Holy Spirit of God, and through the providence and guidance and foresight of God, were to save many from destruction. Even the 7 years of famine and plenty are also realized in the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, for 3 1/2 years by His own preaching (unto AD 31), and then through those who heard him for another 3 1/2 years (John 20:21; Hebrews 2:3), ending with Stephen in Acts 6-7 (AD 34), as spoken of in Daniel.

    Rachel dies in Bethlehem Ephrath ("And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which [is] Bethlehem." Genesis 35:19; "And as for me, when I came from Padan, Rachel died by me in the land of Canaan in the way, when yet [there was] but a little way to come unto Ephrath: and I buried her there in the way of Ephrath; the same [is] Bethlehem." Genesis 48:7) , the very place where Christ Jesus is born and foretold ("But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting." Michah 5:2; see also Matthew 2:1-6; John 7:42). Bethlehem means the "house of bread", and Jesus (he being the Bread of Life) was born in a manger (a place for feed/grain).

    More: [Link] (it is for the Jews/Muslims, etc to consider Jesus in the OT)
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    The reasons those typologies were given, is so that we may understand the Typology that relates to this issue of the last Week of Jesus, and so also of Jonah/s, which will be connected in a bit.

    Let us now consider the Manna type and Jesus Anti-type:

    The Sixth Day, The Seventh Day and The First Day in consecutive order...

    First let us see the Type in Exodus 16:

    “I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God.” Exodus 16:12

    “And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.” Exodus 16:13

    “And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.” Exodus 16:14

    “And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.” Exodus 16:15

    “This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents.” Exodus 16:16

    “And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.” Exodus 16:17

    “And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.” Exodus 16:18

    “And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.” Exodus 16:19

    “Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.” Exodus 16:20

    “And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.” Exodus 16:21

    “And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.” Exodus 16:22

    “And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.” Exodus 16:23

    “And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.” Exodus 16:24

    “And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.” Exodus 16:25

    Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.” Exodus 16:26

    “And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.” Exodus 16:27

    “And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?” Exodus 16:28

    “See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” Exodus 16:29

    “So the people rested on the seventh day.” Exodus 16:30

    “And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.” Exodus 16:31

    “And Moses said, This is the thing which the LORD commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.” Exodus 16:32

    “And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omer full of manna therein, and lay it up before the LORD, to be kept for your generations.” Exodus 16:33

    “As the LORD commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.” Exodus 16:34

    And others:

    “And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.” Deuteronomy 8:3

    “But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” Matthew 4:4

    “And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” Luke 4:4

    “Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.” Psalms 16:9

    “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” Psalms 16:10

    “That he should still live for ever, and not see corruption.” Psalms 49:9

    “Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” Acts 2:27

    “He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” Acts 2:31

    “God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.” Acts 13:33

    “And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.” Acts 13:34

    “Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” Acts 13:35

    “For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:” Acts 13:36

    But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.” Acts 13:37​

    Jesus is the Anti-type of the Manna. Let us consider John 6, and make the connection.
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    John Chapter 6,

    “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.” John 6:63

    As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.” John 6:57

    “Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.” John 6:27

    What is this "meat which endureth"? It is the "words" that Jesus speaks to us. That is eternal life. What must we do about His "words", his teachings?

    We must "believe on Him" [Jesus] whom the Father has sent.

    “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:29

    “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:40

    “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:47

    However, many of the crowd simply did not want to believe in/on Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God, being God, the I AM [especially as the only way] without some great sign, even though a little earlier they had all just been fed and been full physically from so very little bread and fish. They wanted a way in salvation apart from Jesus, they wanted a way of works, not of faith which works.

    They did not want to understand that "He came down from Heaven" and said, "Is not this...the son of Joseph?" They did not want to take Jesus on faith. He is the living Manna.

    Jesus pointed out that even those who had been fed from miraculous manna from heaven, all had still died [and are still dead to this day, awaiting their resurrection "at the last day"; John 6:40], but those who believed on Him, the True manna, He says would not permanently die in the 2nd death, but would sleep in death until their resurrection and would live forever, neither thirst, nor hunger.

    “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.” John 6:35

    “I am that bread of life.” John 6:48

    This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” John 6:58

    Not as their fathers who ate the flakes, wafers of manna, but truly Christ Jesus is the living “Bread”, the "Way", "Truth" and "Life". We must believe on Him unto salvation, and follow in His steps by His grace, obey His words, practice what He says.

    Jesus was speaking of Himself as the Messiah and Saviour, thus speaking Himself as the Messiah, the very Son of God, to believe upon and the example to follow:

    “This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.” John 6:50

    Jesus human "Flesh" and "Blood" did not come down from heaven, but He and His doctrine, His Way have. Notice how Jesus Himself lives, "by the Father" [even as he says, "...I have meat to eat that ye know not of." John 4:32; and what was this "meat"? "My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work." John 4:32], and so likewise we, also, by Him by heeding His words, following His example and keeping/doing His Commandments [Ten Commandments]:

    As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.” John 6:57

    That is eats of His Word...

    Jesus makes it abundantly clear that His words are Spirit:

    “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.” John 6:63

    Peter, himself, acknowledges that Jesus has the Words of Life because that He is the Messiah:

    “Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.” John 6:68

    Jesus makes known who did not have eternal life and why they did not, it was because they belived not on Him, as the Christ, even though they had seen Him and the works He performed:

    “But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.” John 6:35

    And the entirety of the Chapter of John 6 is summed up in this one verse:

    "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God." John 6:69

    That is the whole point of John 6, declaring Jesus to be the Christ, the Son of God, from personal experience and personal acknowledgment, and to follow Him.

    John 6 is focusing on who is "the Christ, the Son of the living God" and who "believe[d]" "on Him" and who did not [not an occult transubstantiation and mystagogy].

    It is Belief in Christ Jesus as the "Son of the living God", the Messiah, the Christ, God manifest in the likeness of the human sinful flesh, the sent of the Father, the Saviour, etc that is the focus.

    “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3

    We are to "eat" and "drink" His words, for they are spirit and are life.

    "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;" 1 Corinthians 10:1

    "And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;" 1 Corinthians 10:2

    "And did all eat the same spiritual meat;" 1 Corinthians 10:3

    "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." 1 Corinthians 10:4

    "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness." 1 Corinthians 10:5

    "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" John 6:52

    "And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD." Exodus 16:8

    "And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?" Numbers 11:4

    "Whence should I have flesh to give unto all this people? for they weep unto me, saying, Give us flesh, that we may eat." Numbers 11:13

    "And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat." Numbers 11:18

    We see that Christ is the True Manna, even the Word of God [John 1:1], the Bread that came down from Heaven. Just as the bread was for 6 days and on the 7th Day it was not to be found in the field [which is a symbol of the world; Matthew 13:38], so too Christ was not found in the world, being buried in the Tomb. Though Christ was dead, and buried, His flesh did not see corruption on the 7th Day, even as the Manna saw no corruption on the 7th Day.

    On the very next day, being the first [day] of the week, we see Christ Jesus arisen from the dead, and preserved forever, never to see corruption, nor death again, and so too likewise the Manna which was uncorrupted was gathered into the Golden Pot, and placed before the Testimony [symbol of the Throne of God], even as Christ Jesus ascended that very morning for the first time to the Father.

    Let us begin tying some things together, and then look most seriously at the NT texts themselves in the last week of Jesus, and bring in more Types from the OT, the Cycle of God in Genesis 1:1-2:3; Exodus 20:8-11, Leviticus 16,23,25, etc..
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  19. One Baptism

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    Jesus is the Passover [Exodus 12:18; Leviticus 23:5; Numbers 9:2-5; 1 Corinthians 5:7] Lamb [Genesis 22:8; John 1:29,36].

    Christ Jesus, began the suffering, not upon the Cross, but rather in the Garden of Gethsemane [Luke 22:44; John 18:1,26], in the first dark part of the 6th day of the week, Nisan/Aviv 14th [also commonly known as Thursday Night to most; this shall be fully demonstrated from the Prophetical and Historical sources in a bit].

    It was Night Time then, and so He was taken in that same night and arrested and held in trial. Jesus, then, the very next morning [same Scriptural Day, the 6th Day of the week] went through more trials and finally a crucifixion [“the sixth hour” [12:00 PM; Noon] John 19:14; see also Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44].

    Jesus dies on that day [the 6th Day, aka 'Friday', “preparation”, Matthew 27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14,31,42; see also Exodus 16:5] a few hours [3 hours, “ninth hour”] before sunset [Matthew 27:45; Mark 15:33; Luke 23:44; sunset is the 12th hour, John 11:9, the full day beginning with the “night” or “evening”; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc].

    This was the First Night [“evening”/”night” [Matthew 26:31,34; Mark 14:27,30] [Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, partial time reckoning, not a full 12 hours, beginning at midnight, the darkest hour, therefore only about 6 hours time] and First Day, as the text speaks of the “morning” [Matthew 27:21; Mark 15:1; which will come be a 12 hour period, for the whole of the day time].

    So we see that after praying and being sorrowful unto death [Matthew 26:38; Mark 14:34], was taken that night at the Garden, betrayed by Judas [Matthew 26:47; Mark 14:43; Luke 22:47-48; John 18:3-5], then held captive in the hands of his enemies and bound [Matthew 27:2; Mark 15:1; John 18:12,24].

    Then He was taken before Pharisees and leaders at various trials [Ananias/Annas, Caiaphas, Herod, Pilate and Populace, a total of 7 Trials

    [1] Before Ananias/Annas; John 18:12-14, 19-23;

    [2] Before Caiaphas; Matthew 26:57,59-68; Mark 14:53,55-65; Luke 22:54,63-65; John 18:24;

    [3] Before the Sanhedrin; Matthew 27:1; Mark 15:1; Luke 22:66-71;

    [4] Before Pilate First Time; Matthew 27:2,11-14; Mark 15:1-5; Luke 23:1-5; John 18:28-38;

    [5] Before Herod; Luke 23:6-12;

    [6] Before Pilate Second Time; Matthew 27:15-23; Mark 15:6-14; Luke 23:13-22; John 18:39-19:6;

    [7] The Populace reject Jesus; Matthew 27:24-31; Mark 15:15-20; Luke 23:23-25; John 19:7-16], pummeled, spat upon [Matthew 27:30; Mark 10:34, 15:19], struck, whipped [Matthew 27:26; Mark 15:15; John 19:1], beaten, cursed, yelled and laughed at [Matthew 27:29,31; Mark 15:20; Luke 22:63, 23:11,36], all the while in their hands from that night he was taken until his final breath upon the Cross [Matthew 27:50; Mark 15:37,39; Luke 23:46; John 19:30].

    Jesus was then laid in the tomb [Matthew 27:58-66; Mark 15:42-47; Luke 23:52-53; John 19:38-42], and remained there the whole 7th Day Sabbath [a 24 hr period; Matthew 28:1; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54,“...rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56;p; John 19:31], which also happened to be a “seasonal” feast “sabbath” that year, being the First Day of Unleavened Bread [15th of Nisan/Aviv], the day which followed the Passover [14th of Nisan/Aviv], and thus an “high day” [John 19:31], and so “Seasonal” Feast “sabbath” [Leviticus 23:5-8] and the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God [Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15; Leviticus 23:3] combined, forever linking Creation and Redemption together. This then, accounts for the Second Night [Jesus laid in the tomb a few hours before sunset, and remains in the Tomb all that night; Job 21:32; being a 12 hour period] and the Second Day [which followed the night/evening portion, and being a 12 hour period; John 11:9].

    Jonas, himself after praying in the midst, finally faints [type, death], taken down to the lowest depths [type, burial/grave], and remains so, until brought up and released [type, resurrection].

    Just as the great Sea Creature did not retain Jonah, so too the Grave could not retain Jesus [Acts 2:24].

    Then Jonas preached about the “40 days” [Jonah 3:4] unto Ninevah, even as Jesus, not only having told about the 'generation' (about 40 years) and Jerusalem would be destroyed (AD 70), and he also in His resurrection remained for “40 days” [Acts 1:3] still preaching before finally ascending the second time [type Aaron; High Priest; Leviticus 8:12; Acts 1:9-11; Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 12:5; the first being just after resurrection, then he came right back; and later after being resurrected and staying for 40 days, he ascends up, type Moses; Leviticus 8:10; John 20:17,19, etc] for good from the Mount of Olives, until He shall come back in His second Advent [Hebrews 9:28; etc].

    Jesus thus remained in the tomb in the first evening/night period of the 7th Day [about a 12 hour period], until his Resurrection on “the first [day] of the week” [being the 16th of Nisan/Aviv; Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; 20:1,19; which most commonly know as 'Sunday', which we shall consider in a bit, for we do not desire to assume anything apriori], which when we read in the Greek and the Transliterated Greek, reads:

    Matthew 28:1a - “᾿Οψὲ δὲ σαββάτων” - “oye de sabbatwn” [* some believe this is properly connected to Matthew 27:66 in the Greek, since the guards were chosen to watch through first part of the evening/night of the First day]

    Matthew 28:1b - “εἰς μίαν σαββάτων” - “eiV mian sabbatwn”

    Mark 16:2 - “καὶ λίαν πρωῒ τῆς μιᾶς σαββάτων” - “kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn”

    Mark 16:9 - “᾿Αναστὰς δὲ πρωῒ πρώτῃ σαββάτου” - “anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou”

    Luke 24:1 - “Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων” - “th de mia twn sabbatwn”

    John 20:1 - “Τῇ δὲ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων” - “th de mia twn sabbatwn”

    John 20:19 - “Τῇ μιᾷ τῶν σαββάτων” - “th mia twn sabbatwn”​

    Generally speaking, meaning, 'one or first towards the 7th day Sabbath, the culmination after the 6 days' [the reason for the plural in these instances, some believe, is because there were also two “seasonal” feast “sabbaths” in those two weeks along with the 7th Day Sabbath, the first being the 15th of Nisan/Aviv, the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread, and the later being the 21st of Nisan/Aviv, the last day of the feast of Unleavened Bread, others conclude the week between 7th Day Sabbaths, either works]. Therefore Jesus was raised on “the third day” sometime before the rising of the sun [Matthew 28:1 [*see previous notation]; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1], and then showed Himself alive at the Tomb, when the sunrise came, and in several instances that same day. This is the “Third Night and Third Day”.

    Even as Jonah preached unto repentance, and many were converted, so too with Christ Jesus, and many believed on Him after the resurrection – for He is greater than the prophet Jonah [Matthew 12:41; Luke 11:32], for even today, many are still believing on Him, being delivered of the destruction to come upon the unrepentant.

    Jesus was in the very midst of the world, in the midst of His people [John 1:1-18], and everyone’s focus [Matthew 4:24, 9:26,31; Mark 1:28,45; Luke 4:14,37, 5:15, etc], including even the angels of Heaven [Genesis 28:12; John 1:51; 1 Peter 1:12], would be upon Him.

    Now let us make sure we have the timing exactly right (in this, even as it fits perfectly the Manna type/antitype, The 6th day (preparation), the 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD thy God, the 1st day...), according to all of the Scripture, but before we do, let us consider a side note, "the spices" that so many bring forth...
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    Extra consideration, is also to be had about the following text, "the Spices", when were they purchased?:

    “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1

    For those which advocate a middle of the week [Wednesday, or Thursday], or elsewhere Crucifixion for Jesus, utilize this text along with the phrases “three days and three nights” [Jonah 1:17; Matthew 12:40] and “in the heart of the earth” [Matthew 12:40] in isolation, attempting to prove that Jesus needed to be in the grave for 72 hours [12 full hours for each day and night], some having Jesus raised the Seventh Day Sabbath, others on Sunday, others raised elsewhere, depending on their various respective views.

    For these advocates of such eisigeted theologies/explanations, ask the question, how could those women, “ Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome”, all “had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him” since they were not allowed to do so during “seasonal” feast “sabbath” hours, nor during the 7th Day Sabbath hours?

    Generally, the question is begged with the apriori position that they could have had no time from the time Jesus was crucified and burial to do so.

    However, let us see what we will of the Scriptures first in all four Gospel accounts together [beginning with the “Truly this was the Son of God” statement/event and continuing from there], before addressing this:

    “Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.” Matthew 27:54

    “And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.” Mark 15:39

    “Now when the centurion saw what was done, he glorified God, saying, Certainly this was a righteous man.” Luke 23:47

    “And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.” Luke 23:48

    “And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:” Matthew 27:55

    “There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;” Mark 15:40

    “And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.” Luke 23:49

    Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children.” Matthew 27:56

    “(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him: ) and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.” Mark 15:41

    When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:” Matthew 27:57

    “And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,” Mark 15:42

    “And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good man, and a just:” Luke 23:50

    “(The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them; ) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.” Luke 23:51

    He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.” Matthew 27:58

    Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.” Mark 15:43

    “And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.” Mark 15:44

    “And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.” Mark 15:45

    This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.” Luke 23:52

    “And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” John 19:38

    “And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,” Matthew 27:59

    “And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.” Mark 15:46

    “And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.” Luke 23:53

    “And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound [weight].” John 19:39

    “Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.” John 19:40

    “And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.” Luke 23:54

    “Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.” John 19:41

    “There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.” John 19:42

    “And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” Matthew 27:60

    “And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.” Matthew 27:61

    “And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.” Mark 15:47

    “And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.” Luke 23:55

    “And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.” Luke 23:56

    “In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” Matthew 28:1

    “And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.” Matthew 28:2

    “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.” Mark 16:1

    “And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.” Mark 16:2

    “And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?” Mark 16:3

    “And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.” Mark 16:4

    “Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.Luke 24:1

    “And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.” Luke 24:2

    The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.” John 20:1