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a 10 billion dollar question?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by ajg1959, Oct 7, 2008.

  1. ajg1959

    ajg1959 New Member

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    I know what you are saying, but that still doesnt explain how Obama will use that extra 10 billion to create jobs? Besides that, I am sure that Obama is a Nixon hater...LOL so he wouldnt even listen to what a real leader had to say.


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    What you're really asking is whether America knows how to spend our tax money on anything other than war. Hopefully, the answer is still yes. Maybe it's not too late. Maybe it is and the only thing we know how to do is wage war.
     
  3. ajg1959

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    No, what I am asking you is how can obama , or anyone else as president take that 10 million dollars and create jobs?

    He implied that he could create jobs with that money, i would like to know how?

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    Not very many old timers around today who worked in the CCC work camps but that was another great organization much like the WPA that benifited communites and those who needed work.It gave many of that time valuable work skills .
     
  5. ajg1959

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    I dont kow that I am an old timer, but I do respect the leadership of our fathers. LOL:laugh: :laugh:

    Thank you for recognizing my sincere desire for a better life for all of us.

    AJ
     
  6. ajg1959

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    War? Sometimes war is a reality. I know that some of you folks believe that war is a sin, and that "Jesus is Love". Yes, most of the time war is a sin and Jesus is Love, but sometimes war is what it takes to obtain peace, and sometimes even Jesus stated things that He "hated".

    It sounds good to stand for peace and love, but face it, if we only stood for that, the nation of Isreal would still be in captivity, and we would still be waiting on our Saviour.

    AJ
     
  7. Mezzo-soprano Meg

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    WAR. That's how George Bush (both of them) did it. The supplies have to come from somewhere. I wrote a paper in college once on this topic. The title will sum up the entire paper. I entitled it--
    WAR is BIG BUSINESS and the U.S. its CEO.
     
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    So I bet you guys can't WAIT to take on Pakistan.....

    And they got nukes.....WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!

    Remember the left's argument that invading countries to root out terrorists only stirs up their hornet's nest ? How's Obama turn that one around ? Seems like Barack's lookin' ahead 3 or 4 wars......
     
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    Unemployment during the Depression is interesting to chart. (Source, Macroeconomics, by Robert Barro). Between the crash of '29 and the depth of the Depression in 1932-33, unemployment rose from 5% to 25% of the workforce. After Roosevelt's election, the rate began to fall, much slower than it rose, slipping below 10% by 1937, then spiking back up too 15% in 1938--then WW 2 started in Europe, FDR declared us to be the "arsenal of democracy," and Unemployment got as low as 1-2 %, including many women who had never been officially part of the workforce.

    As my Dad, who lived 1902-1985, said-- "FDR did not end the depression, Adolph Hitler did."

    O-BA-MA will soon discover (especially if he tries to act big in Pakistan) what Bill Clinton did-- "there ain't no peace dividend, because there ain't no peace, and there ain't gonna be any." The Fallacy of Saving the 10 Billion a month is that much of that will be spent by the military anyway, unless O-BA-MA wants to start dismantling the military.
     
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    Peace through strength. The only way that the misguided total pacifist survives is when God's Ministers who bear the sword (Rom 13:4-5) protect them. Ghandi's methods worked against the British because, well, they are Englishmen, and, they had a free press.

    Against Stalin, Ghandi would have lasted however long it took to put a bullet in the back of his head.

     
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  11. ajg1959

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    Well, if you wrote a paper, then it must be true.

    Wow, a college student that opposes war? Now there is a totally new idea.

    I am just grateful to the millions of people throughout the last 240 years or so have been willing to to go to war, and to even die, so that you would have the "right" to oppose them.

    Freedom isnt free.

    AJ
     
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    You're right and the recent economic debacle proved how right you are...

    That is the inefective machine the Hill has become.
     
  13. LeBuick

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    When you consider the inflated prices we pay for bombs and bullets then there is the money we are spending to rebuild Iraq while they have a surplus of cash. Lastly is the fuel, wasted vehiles and most importantly lives we would save. I would say a lot but I have no actual dollar amount.
     
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    Wasn't suggesting because I wrote a paper it was true. I was merely sharing the title, and I am not anti-war nor was I then. I just realized that while we spend a lot of money in war time, we also make a lot of money in war time. There are certain people in this country who benefit monetarily when we are at war (white collar and blue collar)--and their (blue collar) jobs are more secure than those of us who don't produce items they need over there.

    Does anyone have figures that reflect how the businesses that produce products used in war are doing?
     
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    OK, you lost me. Are you saying supporting the troops is a bad idea? Or are you saying that it's an extra-constitutional concept? Or am I way off?

    I didn't get what you meant.
     
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    There should be some good stuff on WW 2 and Vietnam, as well as current wars. War and fraud go along together--like Schindler, a lot of people make lots of money on war. Harry Truman first made his mark as a US senator chasing down fraud during WW2.
     
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    I have always heard rumors that LBJ owned stock in ammunitions companys. I dont know if that is true, but if it is then he stood to make lots of money on the Vietnam war.

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  18. Major B

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    David Hackworth, in his autobiography, told of being tasked to evaluate the AR-15 (forerunner for the M-16). He spent several days at Aberdeen Proving ground putting the -15 through its paces, and wrote a blisteringly bad review. His boss handed the review back to him and said, "buy stock in Colt Arms."
     
  19. ajg1959

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    Well, I had the honor of serving just after Vietnam, and I can tell you that we were in a bad state.

    a lot the folks I served with were criminals that had to join up or go to jail, so the barracks was not a safe haven for anyone.

    Our uniforms were cheap, and didnt fit.

    Our weapons were left over from Vietnam, and sometimes when I was in the bush, the pins would just fall out of my M-16 and get lost in the weeds....so my weapon would just "shot-gun" open, and be worthless.

    I jumped with parachutes that were as old as my father. (T-10's)

    I actually ate C-Rats that had dates on them that were more than 10 years older than me. (Green eggs anyone?")

    Our pay was way less than the poverty level.

    I dont know if this was just an aftermath of the cost of Vietnam, or whether it was because Carter was intent on disarming America????? And, how much of what we were lacking was actually going into some politicains or defense contractor's pocket?

    But, I am glad that Reagan started rebuilding our military and bringing honor and respect back, I didnt re-up because of the struggle that being in the military imposed on having a family back then.

    But now, I wish I had stayed in. I would have 30 years in (if they let stay that long) and would have a stable retirement, and a proud history of accomplishment behind me.

    Thank God for the leaders that saw to it that we needed to rebuild our military and make our enlistees proud to serve.

    AJ
     
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    Carter nearly disarmed us in conventional weapons. The day he left office, we had less than a day's worth of ammunition in Germany, and no spare parts for anything. Under Carter, we had large numbers, but training was woeful, logistics were a disaster, and our equipment was in bad shape. Under Reagan, we build the best military machine in the world.

    In search of the so-called 'peace dividend, Clinton cut our forces by nearly 40%. When Bush arrived those forces were gone permanently, and at the time, the cost to rebuild that establishment would have been prohibitive.

    That is why we have been using the Reserves and Guard more than ever before except in WW 1 and WW2, and why we don't have enough forces to get everything done.
    I served until retirement, and did not want to retire the, but Mrs. Major B informed me that she was blessed enough! So, I retired in 1992. Nary a regret for serving--wish I'd stayed longer.
     
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