Featured A carryover thread from 'The Children whom God hath given me .'

revmwc

Where do you come up with these ideas...seriously????

5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee
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The reality of remaining sin is denied by no one.

The Holy Spirit is in control...He is grieved by sin.




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I think I understand overall what you mean, but I would never word it like this.

 

revmwc

When I gave you these links.....they are coming directly from the greek, they are not using a tool link an interlinear and giving it a guess....

You are not addressing the third message and the greek teaching offered, you are not addressing Eadie here-

Eadie writes that the...

the literal meaning of the participle (is) “having put off the old man with his deeds.”...

The putting off of the old man, as described by the aorist, cannot be contemporary with the foregoing imperatives, but it precedes them (eg, do not lie).


It is a process consummated...These participles (eg "having put off...") are not to be taken in the sense of imperatives,

Do you understand this?


as the first class of expositors virtually regards them, but they unfold a reason why the sins condemned should be uniformly abstained from. Lie not one to another,
as being persons who have put off the old man;

or, as the participle has often a causal sense (See Johnson's note below)—since ye have put off the old man with his deeds. De Wette says that such an argument is superfluous, but surely the paragraph may conclude as it began, with an argument. The first argument is, ye are dead; and the second contains one of the results of that spiritual death with Christ.



“Since ye have put off the old man with his deeds” The expressive personality—“old man”—has been explained under Eph 4:22-note. It is a bold personification of our first nature as derived from Adam, the source and seat of original and actual transgression, and called “old,” as existing prior to our converted state. This ethical person is to be put off from us as one puts off clothes, and with all his deeds—all the practices which characterized him, and the sins to which he excited

This interlinear you are using is not like most others....these converets were instructed that the new man lives in contrast to the way the old unconverted man used to live. These thoughts and former ways of life were to be abandoned.....

Sins reign is over.

The old man has been crucified with Christ.....it does not spring back to life.we are not an old man and a new man...that is false.

This is what I posted about before...you are conflating the terms and confusing yourself.

he is there by the Spirit giving us a new heart.

here you are getting at the truth....but the terminology is going to betray you.
Rom 6 speaks of a completed action...

That is not what the text says....let me refresh your memory.

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

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The old man , the old self was crucified.....the language you are using is confusing you

same thing here.

No.....we are to mortify remaining sin...it is not for us to allow anything.

Paul makes it clear we are spiritual, under the dominion of the Spirit...

the unsaved are under the domino of the flesh.

No....anyone ,dominated by the flesh is carnal in the heart and unsaved...romans 8 is clear, you miss it and refuse to listen to the truth on it.

You totally miss 1jn 3:9.....it means to practice...but you refuse to listen to the messages that would help you hear the truth.

Nope....this is false higher life teachings...Christians do not serve sin.

Nonsense....but you do not want to listen.....so

 

Let's see John Gill states this on 1 John 3:9:

Clearly that man Could fall in sin and has the sin nature still residing in him was taught in the 17th and 18th century. Thus the teaching of the man you link to saying only 3 generations is incorrect.


Henry:

 

No one denies remaining sin and corruption in saved men. You cannot make that case from the links.....they deal with it in detail.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

the point being made were what influences have lead to the current false teaching. "You do not even know about Charles Finney, so how could you even understand the issue from a historical view. Your quote from Gill and Henry do not help your case.

 

revmwc;

There are only two divisions....Spirit /flesh........with the Spirit/ without the Spirit.

You have no understanding of Romans 8 at all. Your teaching is dead wrong and refuted by all three messages. You do not listen and respond because you have no response to the teaching of those who have understanding on the passage.

If you did you would put it out here...but you have nothing...

This idea that you convinced yourself by your own message that was a mix of truth and error.....and somehow you were "spoken to" does not quite get it done.:laugh:

Everyone claims they were "spoken to" when they have a false idea .

I am always on alert when someone will not listen to biblical teaching as you and your friend do not do. You and your friend are your own authority.