Featured A carryover thread from 'The Children whom God hath given me .'

Agree again.

 

Mormons are unbiblical an ungodly cult yet they claim that an angel spoke to their founderaJoseph Smith .
you claim that Muslims say the same .
that angels are telling them about Jesus so on what basis do you tell Mormons that they are mistaken

 

I didn't make that claim go back and read what I posted.

Here it is again:

 

No matter how many times you stand against the Word of God you are still shot down by the Word of God.

Philippians 1:29 :
"For it has been granted to you to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him."

2 Timothy 2:25b:
"...in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth."

Acts 11:18 :
"So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life."

It is a solid truth of Scripture that God grants or gives faith and repentence to those of his choosing. No longer deny what the Bible so clearly states.

2 Thessalonians 3:2 :

"And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil people, for not everyone has faith."

You will be hardened in unbelief if you keep denying the authority of God's Word.

 

You err not knowing the meaning of scripture.

First, Paul is writing to Christians.
Second, he is writing to them about privileges.
Third, It is as much as a privilege for them to believe in Christ as it is for them to suffer for Him.
Fourth. If faith is either required or given for salvation then so is suffering.
Were they to suffer for Christ before salvation. Is that also a requirement.
Is your exegesis ever faulty!!

First, he is speaking to Timothy, and he is speaking about teaching.
Second, learn the meaning of words.
He is telling Timothy that he must teach his opponents in such a way (that is with meekness), in the hope that God the Holy Spirit will bring about a change of heart and conduct. That is the ultimate goal of every teacher and counselor that I know of. It is not saying that repentance is a supernatural gift imposed by God on an unbeliever.

First, the context--All that were at the household of Cornelius.
Second, were all saved? No.
Act 11:21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord.
--It was a great multitude, but it wasn't all.
If God "granted repentance to the Gentiles" in the sense you are using it, then all the Gentiles there would be saved, but they weren't. It was not imposed upon them. Only those that actually did repent were saved.
--The actual context here is not what happened at the household of Cornelius, but Peter recounting what happened before the Jews who are criticizing him for going into the house of a Gentile and fellowshipping with him. When they hear this report they rejoice that salvation has not "come" to the Gentiles, just as it did to them at Pentecost. That God granted it should be so, is a one time event. This is a historical event, and that is what is referring to, not an every day occurrence.

I am not the one in unbelief. You take scripture out of context and make it say something completely different than what it says. Absolutely amazing! If you continue in that vein why not join with the J.W.'s?

2Thes. 3:2 applies only to believers. It is in contrast to false teachers and speaks of "the faith."
YLT: 2Th 3:2 and that we may be delivered from the unreasonable and evil men, for the faith is not of all;

 

Yes, in Philippians 1:29 Paul was writing to Christians.

"For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him."

They were granted --given belief.

There is absolutely no mention or implication of privilege in the passage. You are making that up out of whole cloth.

 

2 Timothy 2:25b:
"...in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth."

Repentance is most certainly a supernatural gift. A person cannot manufacture it on their own.

It is not "imposed" but graciously given. Praise God that he supernaturally interposed himself into the lives of his elect ones. Without that disruption of our lives we would all eternally perish.

 

"So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life."

Well duh. I did not say or imply that.

Duh again. I don't know who you are arguing with about that.

"The sense I am using it" is the sense in which I quoted it. Never did I say or even hint that all Gentiles have been given repentance. Check your specs.

There you go again. When the Lord wonderfully interferes in our lives --it is an incredible blessing. He doesn't impose or force his way in. He makes stony hearts into flesh.

It happens every day. He grants/gives/gifts the ones of his choosing with faith and repentance. Don't fight it DHK --believe God's Word.

 

"And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil people, for not everyone has faith."

I have been saying what Scripture teaches: Not everyone has faith. You insist, despite Scripture, that every has faith. You are inverting the plain meaning of the Bible.

It certainly is. Your tradition has blinded you DHK. You are blinded now to truths of God's Word as when you were with Roman Catholics for two decades.You need to drop your tradition/philosophy and yield to the authority of God's Word.

 

revmwc

No...only two.....kata pneuma......kata sarka.....

under the dominon of the Spirit.....

under dominion of the flesh



Sarkikos = those who operate out of the SARX that is the flesh. Most often translated as carnal.

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The old man has been crucified.

He says in this one sin.....they were acting [ as mere men, } as {carnal unsaved persons}......he does not say they were fleshly...he says they were acting out of character....in this ONE SIN.

no......they did not stop being spiritual.....they acted as the unsaved would in this one thing.

He does not say that here at all. he corrects this one sin.

The word for Spirit is Pnuema and that leads to the second type here,

There are only Christians and non Christians.

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The difference is one has the Spirit, one does not.

 

If I look under your profile, and I see the number of times you were tagged for an infraction or warning--for insulting others or for using inappropriate language on this board--those times that you posted those words? Were the "of the flesh"? or, "of the Spirit"? If there are only two categories which one do you fall in?

 

The difference is one has the Spirit, one does not.[/QUOTE]

So at this point is the man saved or lost? He is living in sin so bad Paul said:

It was not even named among Gentiles, gross sin, Paul says he should die the sin unto death, that is allowing satan to take his life and yet he said, "the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" the man was saved yet living in the flesh, Sarchicos living carnally.

Many believe this is the same man and he repented and was to be restored. Yet he was living in a sinful relationship as a believer he was carnal but saved.

Where as

The word natural psychikos or psuechikos is a person which is "Belonging to the natural characteristics of man." The natural sensual man.

 

Those times that happened were you or Skandelon attempting censorship of my posts.that last one from you contained nothing but what is common to a Google search.

Whether or not you did that in the flesh or not is between you and God.

 

Let's generalize it a bit more so it is not personal.
You say "there are only two groups of people: spiritual and non-spiritual (unsaved). Correct?

Now, I can point to you entire threads that have been shut down because of wicked and vile language used by posters on this board by those you consider your "friends" or "brothers in Christ." If they fall in the category of "spiritual", then you are attributing "wicked and vile language" to the Holy Spirit. The fruit of the Holy Spirit is the opposite and never is wicked and vile, and in fact it is wicked and sinful to attribute such to God the Spirit.

Therefore you are left with only one option.
Either these people are totally unsaved or they are carnal Christians. Which are they?

 

Speaking in general terms there there are only unsaved or saved people in the world
saved people have the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit can be grieved by a Christian by his behavior and all Christians commit acts of sin.

That being said if there's a person that goes on a message board and lies and bears false witness against other brothers on a daily basis I doubt that person is a christian because he's practicing sin and no Christian can practice sin.

God has no Undisciplined children if someone is living that grievous in sin .

God will cut him off.

Thankfully only God can see the heart and God alone is the judge of all such persons.

 

Consider:
Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
Mat 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Mat 15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

--This woman was not even of the nation of Israel (of God's elect). She was a Canaanite. Christ healed her daughter on the basis of the woman's faith. It was not the daughter that was being regenerated. It was the woman's faith. The woman was not necessarily regenerated, though we don't know for sure. The healing took place on the basis of her "great faith." That faith is innate. It is confidence.
She had confidence in Christ to heal for she had seen him heal many times before and had confidence that he could heal her daughter as well.

There is no such thing as "saving faith," or "dead faith." You are attributing characteristics to an intangible.
Satan has faith, but it is neither "alive, living, saving or dead."

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Demons have faith. What faith? Their faith is there is a God. They believe in the existence of God. You also believe in the existence of Nero. That is faith. It is purely intellectual. It is an assent to the belief of the facts.
That is what James refers to as a dead faith.

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
--My faith with and in my wife is a living faith. It is a personal faith. It produces good works. It is not a dead faith. Many people have faith in their wives before they get saved, and all people have faith in their parents before they get saved. Jesus pointed out that fact.

It is the object of the faith that is important. Parents can't save. Wives cannot save. Only Jesus can save. One must make Jesus the object of their salvation. The object of the demons faith is not God, but Satan. The believe that God exists (an intellectual belief or faith), but their real faith is in their leader who has deceived them and still believes that he can overthrow God.

You have demonstrated my very point. A person running a marathon to help with cancer has faith that what he is doing will help with that cause. He has that confidence, that faith that what he is doing will accomplish his goal. He is right. That is faith. It is the object of the faith that is important.
His object isn't Christ, and therefore will not save him. But he does have faith.

The marathon runner's faith was very active. The object of his faith was cancer research, not Christ. It wasn't a faith that doesn't save. He knew that from the beginning.

Faith is innate. He lost his faith in mankind.
Someday, hopefully, he will put his faith in Christ. That will enable him to trust others once again.