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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by utilyan, Jul 6, 2017.

  1. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    Tell me which of these verses is in the bible and which one is heresy.


    A OR B?


    A
    Romans 10:10
    10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

    B
    Romans 10:10
    10for with the heart a person believes after being made righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, after salvation.


    A
    1 Corinthians 1:21

    21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

    B
    1 Corinthians 1:21

    21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to cause belief in those he saved.

    A
    Ephesians 1

    13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


    B
    Ephesians 1

    13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, ye believed,


    A
    Romans 5
    2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

    B
    Romans 5
    2By whom also we have access by grace into this faith wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
     
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  3. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    Can you quote it in Greek for us? No Latin though. The Vulgate is flawed.
     
  5. utilyan

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    I don't know any greek or latin. Bible hub has the greek renditions.
     
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    Yeah, its amazingly difficult to know whats in the bible. ........still waiting.



    Its easier to get a vampire to drink holy water.
     
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    Help us out, Yeshua1. Which bible verse is the real bible verse and what is false teaching? A OR B?
     
  9. utilyan

    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    Ain't no one going to stump me with reading scripture because I LOVE THE BIBLE and LOVE ALL THE SCRIPTURE.

    Do you have bibles or not? Is the scripture A or B? Which is Scripture? Which is not scripture? Which is not in the bible. What is just a FALSEHOOD that will never be in the bible? A OR B?

    Those who HATE THE BIBLE and HATE GOD don't speak up!
     
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    is this like one of those Facebook posts, which says you're going to die tonight if you don't click "like" and share?
     
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  11. Yeshua1

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    Which do you support?
     
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    B ;)
     
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    The hint is one of these lines is exactly what a Calvinist would WISH the bible would say versus what the bible actually says. If those actually lines existed that would make everyone Calvinist.

    Will a Calvinist defend what the bible actually says against what he wished the bible says?........stay tuned to this thread.....

    Guess which i picked! :D

    I partly expected someone to say both bible verses are the exact same.
     
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    Have you read your A and B entries?
     
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    utilyan Well-Known Member
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    I'm hopping on board with the Calvinists, God knows I love underdogs.
     
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    Too bad that there are no scriptures to support the Gospel according to Rome!
     
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    I think this is a terrific game! Let's play some more!

    John 6:44. A. "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him."
    B. "Anybody can come to Me whether the Father draws him or not."

    John 10:26. A. "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep."
    B. "But you are not of My sheep because you do not believe."

    Acts 14:48. A. 'And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.'
    B. 'And as many as believed were appointed to eternal life.'

    1 Corinthians 2:14. A. 'But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.'
    B. 'But the natural man receives the things of the Spirit of God perfectly well, thank you very much, and he can know them, because they are not spiritually discerned.'

    Jeremiah 31:3. A. "Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore with lovingkindness I have drawn you."
    B. "Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore......well......nothing really."
     
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  18. utilyan

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    Amen, I'm still waiting for you to play it!

    Btw, I think its A for those. B'z are false.

    Your turn.........

    I doubt your up to it.

    Calvinism is a theology only a coward willing to submit to evil would accept.
     
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    Throwing out the Roman church catechism and using only the Bble...what does God tell us about the means of salvation?
     
  20. utilyan

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    You guys ask questions and I'm walking right through them. I want an answer to my question A OR B.

    God is the means of salvation. <--- My answer. Now give me your answer what is true what is FALSE and not found in scripture A OR B?

    You guys can keep running, there is no hiding. You guys give the "APPEARANCE" ,I hope that is my mistake, That you do NOT want to stand by the TRUE BIBLE VERSE.

    Tell me what bible verse is TRUE A OR B.
     
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