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A chance to explain: Inter-racial marriage

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by rbell, Apr 11, 2010.

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  1. rbell

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    One of our BB members, quite inappropriately, hijacked a fellowship thread to air his views regarding interracial marriage.

    Here, I'm offering a chance for him to explain his viewpoint.

    (I'll freely admit: He's going to have a great deal of trouble justifying his bigotry...but here's his chance.)

    How on earth can one justify this position, from a scriptural basis?
     
  2. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member

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    Prepare for scriptural gymnastics!
     
  3. Jon-Marc

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    I can understand one having a preference in a soul mate, but bigotry such as that is inexcusable. It cannot be justified with scripture, but then people always twist scripture to "prove" whatever they want--at least to themselves.
     
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    Honestly, when I first saw that post I was shocked. I never even looked at the race of the couple because it doesn't matter to me. To think that ANY Christian would see skin color as a reason to segregate is just unfathomable to me. Completely unfathomable.
     
  5. sag38

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    Ok Cutter, we are waiting. I'd love to hear your explanation.
     
  6. exscentric

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    Post removed -- reconsidered jumping into a pool of judgment and accusation.

    Ducking back under my rock as usual. :tonofbricks:
     
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    Can there be an explanation? Good grief. Why are people so hung up on interracial marriages?


    What does it matter what color they are?????
     
  8. SaggyWoman

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    The sad thing about the OP is that there are certainly people in the Christian world today that feel that interracial marriage is wrong. I specifically know a man personally that is currently serving on a church staff in my area that has issue with it. He and I had a discussion on it in passing and I felt I had to end the conversation because I didn't agree in spirit or truth with him and felt I was getting steamed in talking with him. Even sadder is he and I have known each other for a long time and he knows my parents are an interracial couple (no, not black and white, which is what I think he had trouble with) and it offended me to the core of my being.
     
  9. Salty

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    It interesting that the word bigot was used.

    Here is the definition

    in part it says "and is intolerant of those who differ."

    I am always concerned about any marriage. The more differences there are, the greater chance there will be for problems.

    Interracial marriage is one of the issues - esp if family members may be against it.
    Other problems would be coming from different sections of the country, extremely different political views, educational levels - and the list goes on infinitely.

    Just because a person does not want to see an interracial marriage does not make the individual a bigot.. Recently a black man talked bad about Tiger Woods because he only fooled around with White women. So it does come from both sides
     
  10. SaggyWoman

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    Salty, I know both sides of the races in interracial marriages have things to say. Trust and believe, been there, heard that, enough already. All races can and are "racist" to some, if not much degree.

    I know many on this board may not appreciate nor watch a lot of movies, but one which one movie of the year a few years ago named "Crash" speaks to the race issue on all counts. Albeit it has a lot of language and other issues, it does well to speak to the race issue if nothing else but call attention to prejudices we all can have.
     
  11. Trotter

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    The remark was made in regards to the marriage I performed yesterday. The comment brought about the closure of the thread.

    Personally I was extremely offended by the comment. I know both the bride (she is a cousin of mine) and the groom. They love each other and are both are Christians, else I would not have married them. To me that should be the only thing that matters.

    There was a time when I would have said something similar to what Cutter said, or at least thought it. I remember a friend of ours telling us that she would rather her daughter marry a good Christan black man than a heathen white man and I was absolutely appalled. However, God used that conversation to begin to show me how wrong my racism was and how it is hatred in the eyes of the Lord. That was a long time ago, but God brings it to my mind from time to time.

    So long as men continue to only look at the color of someone's skin, or the shape of their eyes, or the language that they speak we will continue to have such short-sightedness. Jesus was not lilly-white and red headed like the paintings show no matter how much the majority of Americans want to think so. Jesus was of Middle Eastern descent and would have been olive skinned. Would any Christian say that he wanted noting to do with a non-white Savior? I didn't care what color Jesus was when I was saved and I still don't because it doesn't make a difference.
     
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    I wonder how many here actually participated in the Civil Rights Movement. It is not that many years ago, and it is still around, but underground.

    I asked a Black man in Georgia what the difference is to-day. His reply: "It is now my choice to hold a door open for a White lady." That's about it, I fear.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Thanks for your words, Trotter, and frankly the comment made on your thread was about as disgusting as any I've seen on the BB.

    I'm hoping that cutter will take time to try and explain his position.

    Not looking too good at the moment...
     
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    ... I'd have no qualms against marrying any inter-racial couple that loved each other, and loved the Lord...

    So far, the only marriage I would ever turn down would be that of same sex couples...

    I don't know if there are any Scriptures to warn against inter-racial marriages.

    Of course, I'd certainly want the couple to realize the bias that still exists in our world, and I would bring that up in pre-marriage counseling.

    Thanks Trotter for being true to the convictions of your heart...:wavey:

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul :type:
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  15. Cutter

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    "Cutter, where have you been?"
    "Sorry I had other things to tend to."
    "This late in the night?"
    "Yea, unfortunately."
    "I understand. We seem to have a problem with some things that you said about marriage between interracial couples, you would not perform one, or did not approve, or something like that. Anyway, why don't you take the time to explain your position, although you know that there is no way that it will be accepted, since it has already been weighed in the BB balance and found wanting?"
    "It is my personal conviction and opinion."
    "That's it?"
    "Yea."
    "That's not good enough."
    "I'm sorry, but it's just the way I feel about it."
    "I can't believe it! You are not entitled to have an opinion?"
    "Excuse me?"
    "I mean an opinion like this."
    "Well what kind of opinion can I have?"
    "Only one that we, the BB, deem as appropriate and comely of a Christian."
    "So are you saying that unless I agree with everybody else and bow to the mercy of the BB and conform my thoughts to their thoughts and my ways to their ways, my opinion will not be accepted and I will not be beloved?"
    "Yes, Cutter. You must and you will, if you expect to remain on the BB, it is paramount that you must have only thoughts and opinions that agree with your fellow believers."
    "I don't know. I thought we lived in a free country. You know that free speech thing and all of that..."
    "That's only if your speech does not hurt anybody's feelings."
    "Are people that sensitive today?"
    "Yes, Cutter and your opinions and individuality simply cannot be tolerated!"
    "I thought that tolerance was something that the new world order and social justice was all about..."
    "There you go thinking again. Stop it! When will you ever learn?"
    "OK...I'm sorry...God forgive me for actually having an opinion and a conviction that is contrary to political correctness and to the members of the BB."
    "There, that's better. Ok, guys, I think he's seen the light now. He has now been molded into our image. Welcome to the fold, Cutter"
    :applause:
    "Thanks everybody. And I'll try to carry this warm and fuzzy feeling with me the rest of my life. I'm a changed man." :saint:
     
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    You are certainly entitled to your opinion. It doesn't make you any less of a bigot though.
     
  17. Cutter

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    Thank you, O' righteous Matt Wade. As has been pointed out earlier a bigot is one who is intolerant of those who differ. Although you fit this definition better than I do, I must succumb to your wisdom and piety. After all, I am a changed man. :saint:
     
  18. Alive in Christ

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    Regarding Cutters post, it was asked...

    It can not be justified in any way from the scriptures, from normal civilized thinking, from intelligent rational thought, from plain ole common sense, or from any other form of comunication I can think of.

    Hate, prejudgice, bigotry etc are a stench in all circumstances, but even more so when its a christian spewing it.
     
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    "I am a racist. It's my conviction."
    "Racism isn't scriptural."
    "I don't care."
     
  20. rbell

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    Cutter, let me see if I can get this straight:

    You claim this view is simply a "personal conviction and opinion."

    That sounds pretty tame, on the surface...yet, you felt this strongly enough that you went on a fellowship thread (not one for debate), and hijacked, demeaned, and insulted a poster who was rejoicing about his first wedding. No apology was given, of course, for the inappropriate venue for that comment.

    And then, on this thread, you were asked to share with us your Scriptural basis for your conviction. (the way I see it...if you feel strongly enough about something to inappropriately hijack a thread, you could at least tell us why)

    Instead, you respond with ugliness, sarcasm, and venom. Not exactly helpful for enlightening folks as to why you feel this way.


    Now, for my opinion:

    First...I think you didn't expect the reaction, and it's caught you by surprise. You don't have any justification for your opinion on this...and in other venues people agreed with (or acquiesced to) your view. Now, you've run into people who don't take bigoted statements at face value...and as you are asked for justification, you're unprepared to offer any.

    Second...I think your true colors are shining through (Sorry, Cyndi Lauper). You've been making more and more graceless, inflammatory posts...and the nature of them is particularly disturbing. I don't like seeing you being ungracious toward the ladies on this board. And it's not becoming to flame people on fellowship threads. But the longer you're on here, the more venomous your words are becoming. Where's the Christlikeness? Where's the grace?

    ***

    Anyhow...back to the OP: How 'bout offering one...just one...Scriptural basis for your views on interracial marriage? There: That's a fair question. How about a fair answer...free from sarcasm, condescension, and avoidance of the question?
     
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