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A chance to explain: Inter-racial marriage

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by rbell, Apr 11, 2010.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Is that race the same as you? If the person who beat you was the same race as you would you still avoid everyone in that race as if they had leprosy?
     
  2. annsni

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    How about the gender? The person had gender too - it was not their race only that affects what they did. Did you avoid their gender?

    Yes, I think you're prejudiced. I can understand being cautious but know that not everyone from one race is going to act the same way.
     
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    John, I appreciated your answer. I think there is a reasonable distinction here between what might be morally acceptable with what might be wise. Is inter-racial marriage morally acceptable? Yes, absolutely! Is it wise? That depends.

    If I'm counseling a couple who are not married, I do them no favor if I do not cause them to consider ramifications of inter-racial marriage that they might not have considered. But I could not forbid them to get married on biblical grounds. In fact, for some couples, inter-racial marriage could be a very wise thing indeed, but not in all cases.

    OTOH, if they get married, I love them and accept them unconditionally and I want to encourage them to grow in their love for each other and for the Lord. If they do that, God is pleased.
     
  4. christianyouth

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    What about inter-cultural marriages? Anyone who has been around people of different races for a long time realize that it isn't just their skin color that's different, there are different takes on communication/gender roles/recreation, etc.

    To be specific, I think some cultures believe in elevating the role of the mother(African American). If you pay attention to black people, there is this universal idolization of 'mother'. The strong black woman who rules over her son.

    In ME culture, that's an abomination. It's an abomination for a woman to rule over a man, the Bible says, and ME culture embraces that(at one point our country embraced that and left the disciplining to the father and the nurturing to the mother).

    Now when some love-struck dude from a white culture marries a black woman, I hope he understands that she is most likely a feminist and will try to rule.

    These are just my observations from living in Detroit most of my life and from observing various cultures. There is a HUGE difference in cultures, and one of the most revealing differences is in the gender role.

    The other difference is in their view of sex, specifically who sex is meant to gratify. This is a public forum so I won't go into detail, but if you guys are perceptive you'll realize that different cultures have really different understandings of this, specifically east vs west. If you type into google Ayn Rand + wikipedia + sex you'll basically see a non-Western view of this act laid out, that is thoroughly biblical and ancient. It's not what the TV shows you watch are teaching you.

    Anyways, this was very vague, but if any of you respond or want me to further expand on what I mentioned above I can. Don't want to write an essay on here. :)
     
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    That doesn't cut it Cutter...

    To not behave or treat others in a Christ-like manner is less than Christian. It also cannot simply be dismissed as a personal decision. It is a sin! And sin does and should annoy a believer.
     
  6. Cutter

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    What a hoot you and many of the others are, for implying, (or saying in your case) that it is a sin to refuse to marry an interracial couple. I cease to be amazed at the judgment and drivel that drops from the hearts and minds directed towards those that have different convictions from their own.
    Mercy me! :laugh::
     
  7. rbell

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    I just find it humorous that Cutter is unable to offer any Scriptural reasons for his refusal.

    Refusing to marry someone....well, there are good reasons to do so; but I tend to be able to articulate Scriptural reasons I either think it's (a) wrong or (b) unwise.

    Cutter, for some reason, is either unable to tell us, or too proud to discuss it.

    And let's keep in mind...it was Cutter that broached the subject...by belittling a fellow minister, in a fellowship (not a debate) forum...with the comment:

    (keep in mind, that what caused him to make the comment was not a discussion--but a photo of the bride & groom)


    So, Cutter, the "poor ol' persecuted you" schtick really isn't going over that well....
     
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    What are your reasons for not marrying inter-racial couples?

    And.....

    What if God has a great plan for their life together and you, in your personal belief system that cannot be proved Biblically, refuse to marry them?

    I not going to say anything to you - I promise - I am just genuinely interested in what you based your beliefs on.
     
  9. Cutter

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    Since I am going to answer ultimately to God and not to any of you, I owe no one an explanation or reason for my own personal convictions on this matter. No one will suffer because of my refusal to not be involved in an interracial marriage. I'm sure for every one that won't preside over such a union, there are one hundred, if not one thousand that will.
    Selah
     
  10. rbell

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    Very interesting. If I were a betting man, I would lay odds that there really isn't a good reason...but then again, I've been wrong before...

    We'll see...your tune may change if an inter-racial couple in your church wanted to get married, and you refused...

    (...of course, it's quite likely an interracial couple wouldn't feel very welcome there...but that's just a guess...)
     
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    Yep, the cowards way out!
     
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    How about all the people you influence who believe because of your actions that races should be separated. Will some of them Join Supremicist groups because of your influence? I heard a Nazi once say that they respect the Jews because he supports his race. As if that makes it ok to "support your race" by persecuting another. What about the unity of believers? Or is that only for segregated churches?
     
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    You have no scripture. If you base your teaching or life on scripture, where is your scripture? If you base your beliefs on anything but scripture, you will fail at following Jesus. Where is your love?
     
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    I used to believe like Cutter. Do you want to know why? When I was thirteen I remember sitting in church service when a fill in pastor asked us if we wanted to know where the "n's" came from. He then proceeded to tell us that all black folks had been cursed by Noah. I believed it and my dislike for interracial marriage was intense. I used to call white girls who dated a black men, "mud sharks." But, as I studied the scripture for myself I soon found out how wrong I was. I found out that some jack leg, racist, preacher had spewed hatred from the pulpit rather than the love of Christ. I was especially challenged when a friend asked me that if I had a daughter would I rather her marry a bigoted, redneck white man or a godly black man who was color blind. After thinking about it I had to choose the latter. I'll take a godly person for my child no matter the race any day.
     
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    That is an awesome story sag38. That's truly the love of Christ in you.
     
  16. GBC Pastor

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    I did not say it is a sin to refuse to marry an interracial couple. There could be legitimate biblical grounds for not marrying a couple from any race or background. But to judge someone's worthiness to be married based on racial differences cannot be seen as anything other than baseless judgments that I would certainly characterize as sinful.

    But you are 100% right about this!

    And I suppose your judgment and drivel directed at the minister who performed the marriage should just be dismissed?
     
  17. Peggy

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    I know I'm really late to this debate but I'll throw my 2 cents in anyway.

    We should all be color-blind when it comes to our fellow human beings. Jesus is color-blind, and we should live our lives in imitation of Him. The Scriptures say:

    1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart."
     
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    I think most are not color blind - but rather they are "culture" blind.

    As I have said before, marriage is hard enough as it is without have additional differences coming between the couple.
     
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    The area of the country in which I am in tends to heavily discriminate against interracial marriages... in fact, a neighboring county is well-known for being VERY predjudiced against African-American people in general.

    This is sad, especially since that particular county is part of the "Bible Belt." I haven't yet figured out how racism can mix with the "religiousness" that seems to permeate the area in which I live.
     
  20. Peggy

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    What makes you think that a black person and a white person - both Americans - have different cultures?

    I grew up in a multi-racial family and I am appalled at some of the comments here which express bigotry and ignorance and downright racism. Does my mult-racial family have a different culture than a "pure white" family? Sheesh.
     
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