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A church in Tempe, AZ

Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by Salty, Oct 7, 2006.

  1. Salty

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    I have heard about a church in Tempe, AZ that only has 3 members besides the pastor and his family. They have been meeting about one year. To me, this does not sounds like a Baptist church, but rather something for the self-glorification of the so-called "pastor".

    How long do you think a "church" should keep meeting :BangHead: if there is no growth. What would you consider to be the minium number of adult members left in a church to disband?

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  2. Karen

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    That, in my opinion, does not show anything wrong with that church, by itself.
    They have only been meeting one year.
    The name escapes me of the early missionary who preached for 7 years before there was a convert.

    In the church you reference, I would be surprised if there have not been other people in attendance.

    We helped in a church plant years ago. Sometimes we did not have more than 3-4 people in attendance. But sometimes people were home ill, out of town, had moved out of town. If everyone had come at once, it would have been a much larger attendance.

    Many churches start with home Bible studies and then start Sunday morning meetings. It takes time.

    If a church is a nasty split from something else, you might have room for concern. But just because something is new, small, and struggling, does not mean anything by itself about needing to quit.
    I believe that there will be many pastors rewarded in Heaven for their faithful, difficult struggles here on earth, often looked down on here.
    Nothing wrong with wondering, I suppose. I just don't think you can really know all that is involved from afar.
     
  3. Pete

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    Heya SALTY :) Know the difference between a cemetery with 100 bodies buried there and one with 1000 buried mate? Just the extra room the second one takes up. I've been to Churches running 10-20 average on Sunday morning that would top any 20 trillion member "mega Church", I pray the little Church in AZ is one of those quality over quantity ones.

    For minimum number to disband, I read something somewhere once along the lines of "Where two or three are gathered......." :D


    oops, coulda told me I landed in Pastoral Ministries forum. Sorry 'bout that all :)
     
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    The Lords builds His Church and the Lord will add to His Church. Numbers are not a sign of success. I have been laboring in Sri Lanka for a year and a half and am discipling one lady who I have been working on for a year and a half. Do I close shop and go home? No, I dig deeper and work harder, praying God wil bring the increase in his time.
     
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    Both Adoniram Judson and William Carey waited a long time for their first convert.
     
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    Home churches are the very foundational idea of churches.

    It's not the church's job to "grow"; it's God's job to decide.

    It's certainly not the church's job to get "converts". (I'm assuming you mean "get people saved; although only saved people can truly convert, many people use "convert" as being synonymous with "saved".)

    It's the missionary's (evangelist's) job to preach the gospel of salvation; then, when people start gathering, you have a church and need a pastor, not an evangelist.

    More power to this church, as long as they are digging in the Bible and seeking Truth.
     
  7. Joseph M. Smith

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    Let us hope that at least they do not engage in some of the rituals of larger churches -- such as multiple committees and boards! I am reminded of the days when I was preaching here and there in small eastern Kentucky churches, and when the evening service had about 8-10 people present, the presiding deacon would inevitably say, "Do we have any visitors present?" :tongue3:
     
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    That is too funny!

    I would be incredibly frustrated with not seeing growth. I would be incredibly frustrated in any small church however. Some could never go to the big churches I've attended. I have to leave when to start and stop a church in the hands of the one being led by God. I'm just not capable of making that call.
     
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    The guy who went seven years without a conversion in his church was Jonathan Edwards. The Great Awakening came after that dry spell.
     
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    William Carey also served in India for 7 years before his first convert.
     
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    How many 'convertts' did Jeremiah have? And how long did he preach?
     
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