A&E's biography and the History Channel's JUDAS, Friend of Jesus?

Frogman · Mar 9, 2004

Did anyone see either of these programs? I watched most of the History channel program and the beginning of the A&E biography of Jim Jones and also the last part.

A&E focused on the fact Jim Jones carried a Bible (KJV) everywhere he went as a teen; the History Channel focused on the 'human friendship' of Jesus and Judas which led to Judas' betrayal and ultimate suicide as being possibly caused by his dedication to his master as any true disciple would be. The betrayal was also seen as been required of Judas by Jesus his master, (the disciple never does anything the master has not commanded). By logical reasoning would this mean that only truly dedicated disciples would follow Judas' ultimate sacrifice? This was also speculated on as a possible form of 'self-atonement' of Judas for his act against his best friend.

My point is that in the first (A&E Jim Jones is portrayed as a fundamentalist tying him to holiness type groups in his teens) while the History channel once again failed to mention the diety of Christ but continually focused on the humanity.

If you watched these programs, did any flags go up for you during either of them.

Bro. Dallas

rsr · Mar 9, 2004

I have seen the show on Judas before; IMO, it's a modern version of the old Cainite doctrine; Gnostics appropriated Judas for their own purposes.

Others again declare that Cain derived his being from the Power above, and acknowledge that Esau, Korah, the Sodomites, and all such persons, are related to themselves. On this account, they add, they have been assailed by the Creator, yet no one of them has suffered injury. For Sophia was in the habit of carrying off that which belonged to her from them to herself. They declare that Judas the traitor was thoroughly acquainted with these things, and that he alone, knowing the truth as no others did, accomplished the mystery of the betrayal; by him all things, both earthly and heavenly, were thus thrown into confusion. They produce a fictitious history of this kind, which they style the Gospel of Judas.
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Irenaeus of Lyons, Against Heresies

Moreover, also, there has broken out another heresy also, which is called that of the Cainites. And the reason is, that they magnify Cain as if he had been conceived of some. potent Virtue which operated in him; for Abel had been procreated after being conceived of an inferior Virtue, and accordingly had been found inferior. They who assert this likewise defend the traitor Judas, telling us that he is admirable and great, because of the advantages he is vaunted to have conferred on mankind; for some of them think that thanksgiving is to be rendered to Judas on this account: viz., Judas, they say, observing that Christ wished to subvert the truth, betrayed Him, in order that there might be no possibility of truth's being subverted. And others thus dispute against them, and say: Because the powers of this world were unwilling that Christ should suffer, lest through His death salvation should be prepared for mankind, he, consulting for the salvation of mankind, betrayed Christ, in order that there might be no possibility at all of the salvation being impeded, which was being impeded through the Virtues which were opposing Christ's passion; and thus, through the passion of Christ, there might be no possibility of the salvation of mankind being retarded.
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Tertullian, Against All Heresies

I like the History Channel, but some of the religious programming can get pretty squirrelly. Then again, I was flipping past TBN last night and saw some preacher saying that Caiphas knew Jesus was the Messiah and deliberately had Him condemned because he knew Jesus had to die for the redemption of men.

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