A few questions

OK, but lets be more specific, what do you consider immodest and why do you?

 

then stop acting like it

 

You're falsely assuming that dressing fashionably is equal to dressing immodestly. Most women who dress fashionably do so modestly.

It's a big leap to assume that a woman who dresses fashionably is dressing immodestly.

Your church shounds like it's preoccupied with legalism. Perhaps you folks should get your eyes off of women's blouses, and back into scripture. Considering that absolutely nothign you've posted here so far is consistent with scripture, that might be a good idea.

 

For the most part I do not think that most baptist women dressing the way you are stating are dressed sinfully. The way you apply scripture to yourself does not necessarily apply to others. Some may think you are reading something into the scripture that is not there or at least is not meant.

I am not trying to offend so I will close by saying if you do not want to wear short hair then don't, if you don't want to wear pearls or gold then don't and if you have a particular style of modest dress then do, but do not require all others to adhere to your thinking by telling them that they are ignoring Gods Word.

 

GOOD ONE!!!:laugh::BangHead:

 

John is correct. No one could argue with 308 you if you argued for modesty, that is biblical. You seem to have equated fashion with modesty.

What fashion do you choose? Is it western fashion, middle eastern, far eastern, or other.

I assume you choose western (as in European/North American) dress. If I am correct, why is that? Why would you not choose true Biblical attire if you truly do not want to look like the world?

 

I am an old Baptist and I am having an issue with one issue.

1. Why do so many baptist men and women forget the verse "Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ has forgiven you?"

Put clothes on that.

 

In the last few months the problem has been rampant. People register and from post one, start in pushing hot buttons or trolling. I do not know if these are people who get a kick out of doing this forum to forum, or they are former members who were banned. One would think when BB gets a registration, it would show is someone is registering under an IP address of a banned member.

The major problem though is the attention they seem to get from regulars. It plays right into their hands.

 

Sometimes we need to learn the blessing of silence. Make your point and shut up.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I realise that you are not gone, but if you had addresses modesty instead of fashion in the OP you would not have had near the disagreement.

I think we would all agree that modesty is the Biblical standard.

 

I'm with ya, SN----there is a registration and sometimes banned members who reenroll DO get caught----but some do slip in through the cracks

 

Haverhill says that we see verses like 1 Tim 2:9, 1 Corin 11:14-15, and James: 4:4 differently. Given his inability to discern between fashion and modesty, I'd say his statement is true: We see them in proper context, and he sees them incorrectly applied.

I wonder how he'd react to worshipping with Christian villagers in Papua New Guinea. Their view of modesty is the wearing of a belt, and little else. The men and women are topless. But if a person isn't wearing a proper belt, that person is considered to be immodest. No one in church there goes without a belt. To do so is considered to be indecent.

Having been there and worshipped with them, I can tell you from firsthand experience that they are more modest than some of us.

 

Look Haverhill, this is a debate forum. stirring up a debate is proper, but a debate that stirs up strife is another and forbidden by Scripture.

IMO these questions are legitimate and indeed need to be responded to by each person and not so much addressed to the churches at large.

Look at the responses you received. From them you can see that you have hit a raw nerve and have stirred up some strife as the outcome.

Some of us are carnally minded and it shows in our lifestyle. Generally when we are born-again we are babes in Christ and not matured children of God.

When we are regenerated we are justified. Then comes sanctification.
It seems to me that each of us moves at a different speed and start at different points in our sanctification.

That is why any child of God needs time to grow, to go from milk to meat, to understand and realize that Jesus Christ is Lord of our lives as well as Savior.

True, some, maybe even most, will never mature to the biblical standard.

But (or so it seems) that while your motives may very well be pure and the source the love of God and your brethren, there is something about your approach that seems flawed, I can't exactly put my finger on it but here is are some Scriptures to consider.

James 4

11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?​

One needs also to take care when attempting to correct others directly or indirectly:

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.​

In my estimation it is better to leave these questions alone here at the BB, see to yourself and your spouse in your own local church and be the example to the babes in Christ and pray that the Spirit of God mature your brothers and sisters for whom Christ suffered and died.

If you are a leader or believe yourself a spiritual person in your local church, here is a helpful Scripture:

1 Peter 5

2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:​

Finally, as Jesus indicated that even under the law there were weightier matters than certain details of the law.

I believe that under grace there are weightier matters than length of hair, etc. Unless there is scandalous immodesty then my advice FWIW is to leave the admonishment alone, teach by both gentle words and example and bear the burden of your weaker brethren.


HankD