A few words from the Declaration of Independence

The thing is that these folks strove for peaceful resistance. Violence was initiated by the police forces. If the rebellion had been armed and violent a destructive race war would have wrecked America.

Violent rebellion is not the answer. It will only result in mutual destruction and rhe end of the American way of life.

The US still has free elections, there is no dictator, there is not tyranny. When elections are overturned there may be room for such talk. I, for one, have no interest seeing America destroyed by violent rebellion. Civil wars never work.

 

"Free elections" ? But what does that mean Roger?
What were the choices in the last election?

Also, I don't remember voting for the legalized murder of the innocent.
It was a decision made on our behalf by the Supreme Court in 1973 (I was of voting age then).

Ay least here in WA we were allowed to vote yea or nay for "Death with Dignity" (a euphamism for self-murder).

Needless to say I voted against it.

In 1973 those in the womb were abandoned by everyone.

Oh, it was a Republican administration as well.

And no, I'm not for the violent overthrow of the government.

Just the overthrow of rampant ignorance and stupidity of "we the sheeple".


HankD

 

Once again, you pipe in with your inane and stupid comments that are as always, not relevant to the discussion. I was speaking with him, not you. For whatever reason, you seem fascinated with me. Sorry. Not interested.

 

Free elections? I guess you are right if you figure being forced to choose between one corporatist candidate over another corporatist candidate amounts to a free election.

Vote fraud used to prevent the election of reformers It doesn't matter which of the two major party candidates are elected if no real reformer can get nominated, and when news services start knowing the outcomes of elections before it is possible for them to know, then the votes are not being honestly counted.

No tyranny?

The methodology of tyranny

The methods used to overthrow a constitutional order and establish a tyranny are well-known. However, despite this awareness, it is surprising how those who have no intention of perpetrating a tyranny can slip into these methods and bring about a tyranny despite their best intentions. Tyranny does not have to be deliberate. Tyrants can fool themselves as thoroughly as they fool everyone else.

Control of public information and opinion It begins with withholding information, and leads to putting out false or misleading information. A government can develop ministries of propaganda under many guises. They typically call it "public information" or "marketing".

Vote fraud used to prevent the election of reformers It doesn't matter which of the two major party candidates are elected if no real reformer can get nominated, and when news services start knowing the outcomes of elections before it is possible for them to know, then the votes are not being honestly counted.

Undue official influence on trials and juries Nonrandom selection of jury panels, exclusion of those opposed to the law, exclusion of the jury from hearing argument on the law, exclusion of private prosecutors from access to the grand jury, and prevention of parties and their counsels from making effective arguments or challenging the government.

Usurpation of undelegated powers This is usually done with popular support for solving some problem, or to redistribute wealth to the advantage of the supporters of the dominant faction, but it soon leads to the deprivation of rights of minorities and individuals.

Seeking a government monopoly on the capability and use of armed force The first signs are efforts to register or restrict the possession and use of firearms, initially under the guise of "protecting" the public, which, when it actually results in increased crime, provides a basis for further disarmament efforts affecting more people and more weapons.

Militarization of law enforcement Declaring a "war on crime" that becomes a war on civil liberties. Preparation of military forces for internal policing duties.

Infiltration and subversion of citizen groups that could be forces for reform Internal spying and surveillance is the beginning. A sign is false prosecutions of their leaders.

Suppression of investigators and whistleblowers When people who try to uncover high level wrongdoing are threatened, that is a sign the system is not only riddled with corruption, but that the corruption has passed the threshold into active tyranny.

Use of the law for competition suppression It begins with the dominant faction winning support by paying off their supporters and suppressing their supporters' competitors, but leads to public officials themselves engaging in illegal activities and using the law to suppress independent competitors. A good example of this is narcotics trafficking.

Subversion of internal checks and balances This involves the appointment to key positions of persons who can be controlled by their sponsors, and who are then induced to do illegal things. The worst way in which this occurs is in the appointment of judges that will go along with unconstitutional acts by the other branches.

Creation of a class of officials who are above the law This is indicated by dismissal of charges for wrongdoing against persons who are "following orders".

Increasing dependency of the people on government The classic approach to domination of the people is to first take everything they have away from them, then make them compliant with the demands of the rulers to get anything back again.

Increasing public ignorance of their civic duties and reluctance to perform them When the people avoid doing things like voting and serving in militias and juries, tyranny is not far behind.

Use of staged events to produce popular support Acts of terrorism, blamed on political opponents, followed immediately with well-prepared proposals for increased powers and budgets for suppressive agencies. Sometimes called a Reichstag plot.

Conversion of rights into privileges Requiring licenses and permits for doing things that the government does not have the delegated power to restrict, except by due process in which the burden of proof is on the petitioner.

Political correctness Many if not most people are susceptible to being recruited to engage in repressive actions against disfavored views or behaviors, and led to pave the way for the dominance of tyrannical government. SOURCE


If I had the time and space here I would give several examples of each of these methods that have been employed "to reduce us under absolute despotism". It would be a ridiculously easy task indeed for anyone who has been paying attention to what has been going on. Matter of fact I may just do that in another thread on these methods.

Still believe there is no tyranny?