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Featured A Flawed Approach to Romans 13?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by righteousdude2, Nov 13, 2013.

  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    That's true this has been a very calm thread. Zaac is just upset because no matter how hard he tries he can't whip us into believing an apple is an orange. :smilewinkgrin:
     
  2. Zaac

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    :laugh: Now if we can just get all of your other angry friends to come in pat you on the back and agree, that'll turn it into a fact.:thumbs:
     
  3. Zaac

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    Again I'm saying rulers and authorities are people as made clear in Rom. 13.

    You're claiming it's the Constitution.

    It's apparent that you're the one trying to claim that an apple is an orange. :laugh:

    When politics becomes an idol for ya, it can make you do some crazy things.
     
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  4. righteousdude2

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    Ditto!

    When people get stuck on themselves and think they know it all, they do some crazy things too!

    They say, that the guy with the largest log in their eye, is always the best to find a man with a minute splinter in theirs! :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Zaac is correct, Poncho is correct and so are you Shodan.

    The rulers, authorities, etc have to be obeyed according to the scripture.

    The founding rulers and authorities drew up documents e.g. Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights (First ten amendments) and the Constitution with the other Amendments. They were not monarchs but republicans (lower case "r").

    These documents allow and encourage, freedom of speech (say what you will), freedom of the press (read what you will) freedom of association (hang with those you choose), redress of grievances (complain freely about whats bugging you), the Ballot Box (choose who will be in or out of office), all this within the scope of the consent of the governed (AKA to impeach or not to impeach) which is at least part of what Poncho is saying.

    So when we do all these things above we are obeying the rulers and authorities and therefore the VERY scriptures zaac has mentioned.

    When we speak out freely naming the evil which this administration and others have perpetrated (abortion, euthanasia, perversion, etc) we are in fact rebuking the unfruitful works of darkness as you have pointed out.

    Personally, I try to be as respectful as possible towards the commander-in-chief when exercising my freedoms given to me by the rulers and authorities (actually by God) when speaking out and associating with like-minded folk concerning the oppressive evil being perpetrated by this administration as I have done concerning other administrations.

    I do in fact pray for the current president, that he will do the right thing.

    Starting with the FDR administration we have allowed our representative republic to become a socialist nation (IMO of course).

    But that's the price of being (for a season) a representative government, we did it to ourselves (howbeit with no small part of stealth and deception on the part of those whom we consented to govern us)

    I'm not giving up though and will use all these tools which our rulers have granted to defeat the greatest tyranny of all (slaughter of the unborn).


    HankD
     
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    The Constitution is NOT the law of the land in the U.S. You're forgetting about the Bill of Rights and the other amendments to the constitution aren't you? In addition, the Congress is entrusted with making laws and the Supreme Court interprets the constitution. Do you actually think that in the 21st century we are subject to a document that was written almost 250 years ago? That's ridiculous. The world has changed and our laws must change in response to that.
     
  8. HankD

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    Yes sadly, our government has adopted the interpretation by the Supreme Court that shedding the blood of an innocent baby and thereby denying the child it's right to everything (life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness) is somehow a constitutional right in this 21st century age of enlightenment.

    HankD
     
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    That's undoubtedly the most moronic statement made on the board this week. Perhaps this month. Maybe even in the last year.

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  10. poncho

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    Caesar, a "ruler" was considered the source of all law in his day. All power was inherent in him. In other words power or authority was centralized in one person. Caesar. Caesar was "the supreme law of the land". That was then.

    When the founders of the USA sat down to form a new government they put Caesar's power in the hands of the people. A government of by and for the people.

    Instead of having all power inherent in a Caesar as in the Roman empire in the American republic all power is inherent in the people.

    We the people are the "higher powers" in the American republic and we allow our elected representatives, public servants certain powers or authority to carry out not only the business of the people but the will of the people as well.

    We the people wrote down in a document those powers we deemed it necessary that our elected representatives have to carry out their duties in their service to us. And only those powers. No more no less.

    That document the U.S. Constitution is now "the supreme law of this land" not Bush nor Obama nor the congress nor the judges who sit on benches in high places. It is a legally binding contract between we the people and those who we send to serve us.

    We do not have rulers over us. We the people stand in Caesar's place now and we the people delegate authority to whomever we will through the election process to serve us not rule us. And when those whom we elect to serve us usurp power from us (we the people) through any means other than that which they by law (legally binding contract) are allowed to pursue then they are acting illegally and should be held accountable by we the people.

    We the people are the "higher powers" today Zaac. Obama and every single elected representative we send to our capitals are our servants not our rulers.

    Get it yet? No? Then I suggest you do a study on the tenth amendment that makes it crystal clear that "we the people" are the "higher power" in the American republic.

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    Who authored the constitution? We the people. Who decided which powers should be delegated to our public servants? We the people. Who reserves the powers not delegated to our public servants? We the people.

    How can Obama be our ruler if he is our servant?
     
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  11. Revmitchell

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    And there you have it folks. The very thing that is wrong in the US. Man, I did not know liberals were willing to say this out loud.
     
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