A Literal 1000 Year Kingdom?

Jen,
[personal slander snipped]. Next time try formulating your questions more carefully, leading the person to answer in the manner in which you intended.

There is no gap of 1000 years, my friend. Read it again (this time with your eyes open). The DAY of JUDGMENT starts WHERE (open your eyes)?
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Now next question (come on you can do this)... Where does this judgment take place (you're almost there)?
1 Thessalonians 4:17 ...with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air... (it's ok, you can read the context)

"What happens after this?" Are you sure you want to know? It may not sit well with your theology...
During the judgment, there will be a separtion of the "good" from the "bad."

2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be GOOD or BAD.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, (compare this with 2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat)and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (with who?)
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
(Why is he bloddy just after coming from the clouds??)
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

At this time our Lord has judged believers, and is coming out of the sky to judge the world.

Believers will go to hell in their body and soul (Matthew 10:28) for not going soul winning (argue with Jesus).
Every believer is saved from "the wrath to come," which is what we see in Revelation 19:15. No believer will ever experience this, ever. Nor will he/she spend eternity in the LOF.

Question:
If the kingdom lasts 1000 years, and only holy believers are there (Rev 20:6), and no one is in heaven (cause all came up out of the grave and down from heaven for the judgment) where will they go and for how long?

DeaconLew

[ October 01, 2004, 10:48 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]

 

DeaconLew,
I am not criticizing your response... you did respond to me. Thank you.

Others, however, seem to want to insert some 1000 literal years (or 1007)in between judgments... I just don't see it. I guess I could if I would paste things together from different parts of the Bible and pretend they are speaking of the same thing.??? I don't know?

Just trying to figure it out or something.

Also, I'm not sure what you meant by this statement:
Believers will go to hell in their body and soul (Matthew 10:28) for not going soul winning (argue with Jesus).

 

Thousand year kingdom

Christ will reign upon the earth

So will all the saints
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Haiku

 

Acts 2:15-17 (HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Bible)

For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it's only nine in the morning. 16 On the contrary, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel: 17 And it will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out My Spirit on all humanity; then your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.

The Bible says the last days began on the Day of Pentacost
which i believe was in 33AD. The Last days end on
the last day: The Tribulation Day (AKA: Day of the Lord,
Day of Christ, Day of God, etc.)

The seven-year-day called the Tribulation, also
Daniel's 70th week.

Daniel 9:27 (HCSB):
27 He will make a firm covenant
with many for one week,
but in the middle of the week
he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering.
And the abomination of desolation
will be on a wing of the temple
until the decreed destruction
is poured out on the desolator."

They are both the same:
1. pretribulation return of Jesus for His Church Age saints
2. 70th week of Daniel "day"
3. postribulation return of Jesus to defeat the antichrist
4. the physical 1,000 year reign of Jesus on the
physical throne of David in a Physical Jerusalem inhabited
by physical Jews

The Lord is God.
His "day" is the appropriate time for His programmed actions.

The real reason for eschatology is to exhort the saints
toward good works.
Have you done your good words today?

 

Spiritual beings are bound with spiritual chains. No big mystery.

 

here is something i have heard that makes sense to me, it may not to others, just something to think about.

*2Pe:3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


From Adam and Eve to flood = estimated 2000yrs
From Flood to Birth of Jesus Christ = est. 2000yrs
From Calvary to now = est. 2000yrs
-------------------------- 6000 years

when Christ returns
Reign of Christ on earth = 1000yrs
------------------------------------
7000 years / 7 days

You end up with 6000 years of man that matches the genesis account of 6 days and also have a 1000 year period to fit the 7th day when He rested.

*it is also interesting to me that God made the "sun" on the 4th day and also sent His "Son" at 4000 years from Adam and Eve.

I wonder how far off our calenders could be?

just something neat to think about and i wish i could do a better job of posting this.

 

I heard one time our calendars are off by 4 years.

 

235 years

In 1658 the Jews were allowed on the
English Island. They had been banned
since 1290. In about 1850 Biship of Uusher
determined that Adam was created
on Thursday, 21 March 4004BC.
Had he asked a Jew (he couldn't ask a Jew,
remember - the Jews were banned),
they would have told him.
The Jewish year 5765 started last week.
Adam was created 5765 years ago, not
6008 as Uusher suggested.

 

Thanks Ed.

 

235 years

In 1658 the Jews were allowed on the
English Island. They had been banned
since 1290. In about 1850 Biship of Uusher
determined that Adam was created
on Thursday, 21 March 4004BC.
Had he asked a Jew (he couldn't ask a Jew,
remember - the Jews were banned),
they would have told him.
The Jewish year 5765 started last week.
Adam was created 5765 years ago, not
6008 as Uusher suggested. </font>[/QUOTE]________________________________________________

So it is really 1769 AD now?

So, IF (and a big if) He comes at the 2000 year mark, that would mean we have 235 years to go? I was really hoping He would come in my lifetime. I would LOVE to see Him up in the clouds and the sound of a trumpet calling me to Him!

Praise Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior!
Deborah

 

No. It is 2004AD.
What i said was that Adam was formed by God
235 years after 4004BC.

I still believe in a pretribulation rapture
at any time. God does not need the speculations
of man to figure out when the proper
time (AKA: "day") is.

Matthew 25:13 (HCSB = The Holman Christian Standard Bible):
"Therefore be alert, because you don't
know either the day or the hour.

"the day" means "the appropriate time"
"the hour" means "the appropriate time"
So nobody knows the year ahead of time.

So it still can be soon.

 

Your right Ed, i didn't mean anything by my post except that imho we are getting close, could be anytime now.

I'm not sure we would have good air or water in 50 years, let alone 235.

 

Yes, there
is room for a lot more to go bad before it
gets as bad as Matthew 24:22 describes.

in the book EIGHTY-EIGHT REASONS THE LORD
WILL RETURN IN 1988, over a dozen of the
reasons were the "6,000 years of labor,
1,000 years of rest for God's creation
(because God created for 6 days then took
a day off)" theory. Again, it is just
a theory. And the theory falls because
of the Jew hatred of the Scott killers
(AKA: England). Ain't history interesting???

 

Why is it that when someone starts a thread entitled "How can I bring someone to Christ?", they get a half-dozen responses, but when someone starts a thread entitled, "A Literal 1000 Year Kingdom?", it goes on for 4 or 5 pages, with a bit of name-calling thrown in for good measure?

I think our priorities are a bit screwed up.

 

I am not sure what I said([personal slander against jen snipped!]), but please accept my apologies.

-DeaconLew

 

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I decide to make post on this topic about 'a thousand years' much more deeper on Thursday night, when I will be off from my 3rd shift job.

In the past, I did telling you that I make a promise, I will post to discuss on 'a thousand years' in this topic. But I didn't for a long time.

This Thursday night, I will put 'salvation issue' on the shelf for a short time, till I focus discuss on 'a thousand years' with verses much deeper.

Because I was used myself as premill for long time. 3 years ago, I left premill camp, because these verses does not fit with premillennial doctrine.

Again, I telling you, 'kingdom of heaven/God' does not equal to supposed future "millennial" kingdom. In the Bible often speak of eternality kingdom and eternal life. Later on Thursday night, I will show you verses about 'kingdom of heaven/God' with verses, what these are talking about.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

DeafPostTrib---son!! You say you left the "premil camp" three years ago----well, just wanted to let you know---when the Lord Jesus changes your mind---your tent is still "pitched" and waiting for you to come back ---plenty of room in the camp, son!!!

Your buddy,

Blackbird--a Premil super