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A POSITIVE Emerging Illustration

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by dan e., Sep 7, 2007.

  1. booklady

    booklady New Member

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    Although I don't agree with all of their methods, I do agree with what they believe (click on "What We Believe" on their site) and admire their willingness to get off their backsides and do something for the cause of Christ. It sounds like some of you are mad at them for helping people. Kind of makes us look bad, doesn't it? It's so easy to sit here and type on our computers about how everyone else is doing it wrong. Frankly, I'm sick of it. Goodnight.
     
  2. saturneptune

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    That is one of the blessings of no rain in west KY. Everyone's yard looks ugly, and no mowing required.
     
  3. christianyouth

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    Amen. This post made my day. Nice to see someone who doesn't have a pragmatic approach to evangelism and missions.
     
  4. saturneptune

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    Kind of like dead theologean avatars to look ancient.
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    I just read the article, and thought of something...

    We shouldn't be showing people we care about them... that would be unChrist like....
    We must scream at them that they are going to Hell...
    After all, we all know that Jesus Christ stood in the streets and screamed at the prostitutes and drunks,

    OH... Wait...
    HE went to where they were to help them see the love of God...

    Just like the church is doing in the OP.

    I guess people must see how much we know before they see how much we care.... right... is that how your theology works?

    No wonder your neighbor is going to Hell, while you are going to church praising God that you are not like them.

    (The word "you" in this post is not addressing anyone in particular.. but all the lazy christians that are not willing to show the love of God to their neighbors)
     
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    1. Tim, I'm essentially in agreement with your post. I believe our theology always influences our conduct.

    2. Our worldview, no matter how we choose to slice it, inevitably affects our walk in life, including evangelism.
     
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  7. tinytim

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    I really don't see how a church helping a neighborhood is considered "emergent'
    That is what old fashioned churches used to do a long time ago...
    If there was a need in the community, the church tried to help.

    Christians help neighbors..
    We don't wait until they come through our doors, and join our church before we help them...

    Or am I missing something here..?
     
  8. TCGreek

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    1. You're right. I see nothing wrong with this approach and why it should be termed Emergent.

    2. The Emergent Communities are more about their postmodern stance, not their outreach effort. Their outreach efforts come from their postmodern stance, doing church as they say, in a postmodern world.
     
  9. saturneptune

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    Tim,
    Your post is right on target. There are those who either because of their higher degrees (which dont come with common sense) or superior knowledge of theology that they feel above this part of the Gospel and brand it as unBiblical. The second great command given by the Lord is love your neighbor as yourself. Seminary and doctorates do not take away that requirement.
     
  10. booklady

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    It seems to me that is what they are doing - helping people. I guess I don't see the problem with it, either. I don't think anyone is saying that we should do everything exactly as this church is doing things but they are doing some things right. I think many Baptist churches are afraid it somehow takes away from evangelism if we spend some time helping our neighbors. I don't think anyone is saying that we can win the lost simply by painting their house; we must give them the gospel message; but we can show them that we love them and that we care by helping them. Of course this is my opinion but I don't like the way some people on here want to immediately assume that others motives are wrong. I really, really dislike that and it sometimes makes me feel very sad.
     
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    Not only does it make you feel sad, it is sad, the whole mindset.
     
  12. dan e.

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    Sorry I haven't kept up with my own thread....had a busy weekend.

    Tim, I used this church as an example because many would classify it as an emerging church, or missional, based on its characteristics. Not identified with Emergent though. I just thought I'd throw out an example of a church making a huge impact. I didn't realize it would get so much criticism for actually making themselves known in the community through service.
     
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    Sorry for not responding for so long. It is hard to debate with someone when the foundations are gone. From your posts I see that most of the foundations to the Christian faith, especially conversion, are missing in your doctrine. So for me to even communicate the folly of lifestyle evangelism is a huge task.
     
  14. dan e.

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    Jee whiz....where did you come from?? You sound a lot like a kid straight out of high school who thinks he's got it all figured out. Are you in Bible school? I'd suggest leaving it so it won't make you even more confident that you have it figured out.

    Holy cow!
     
  15. ShotGunWillie

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    I am a little late with joining in on the discussion, but would someone like to explain to me what the age of a person has to do with how boldly they speak if lead by the spirit to call right, right and wrong, wrong.

    Are there not examples in the Bible of great leaders, who, at a young age were used to lead God's people and drive them in the right direction.

    What does his age have to do with the statements he makes. If he would not have mentioned his age, you would have never known it was not wisdom coming from someone much older.
     
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    It appears that this "lifestyle evangelism" is set up as diobolically opposed to preaching the truth, which is man is a sinner and on his way to hell and in need of the blood of Jesus Christ and without it they will spend eternmity in hell in separation from God.


    I believe we should reach out to people through service Christ most certainly did. How about that single mother who cannot seem to make ends meet and is in need of a new washing machine. Let's get her one.

    How about that elderly couple who cannot maintain the maintenance on their home any more. Let's fix their roof and mow their lawn.

    But in the midst of all this do not forget the gospel. People need to hear they are sinners going to hell. But there is a solution as provided by God. It is the blood of Jesus Christ. Preaching this godly message doesn't make one a jerk The jerk is the one who witholds this message. You cannot be saved unless you recognize you are a sinner in need of redemption through the blood of the lamb. Anything less is another gospel.
     
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  17. dan e.

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    excellent post, I couldn't agree more (except for the weird "diabolical" observation). The problem is when you look at someone else, or another church (as in the OP), and you assume that they are not gospel driven. The attacks and criticisms fly without any knowledge of the group.

    Many have already criticised me saying that it was the only article provided...blah blah blah...how are they to know...does that really excuse some of the way people criticise??
     
  18. ShotGunWillie

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    The problem still remains, that when you offer up one article for discussion and provide no further information to state that their focus is "gospel driven", then people make state the opinions based on the facts you originally provided.

    How else are they to approach the subject? What responses were you hoping to gain by posting a PD Church article?
     
  19. dan e.

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    PD Church?....are you meaning Purpose Driven?
     
  20. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    And that is the hundred dollar question. There are so many false movements out there one has no way to know unless the specifics are mentioned. When you then attach the word emerging to it it will discredit it from the start to many folks.
     
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