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A question about leading others to the Lord

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by annsni, Dec 2, 2008.

  1. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler New Member

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    A believer cannot help but give some evidence. Paul, writing to the believers at Thessolonica gave a pretty good description of the evidence he saw:

    1:3 "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ."

    This'll preach. Paul said believers have a faith that produces works, love that produces labor, and a hope which produces patience.

    All right preachers, there are your three points. Here's the opening line of your message. "If you were on trial for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?"
     
  2. North Carolina Tentmaker

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    Yea the Bible does say,
    I also like Ps 116:13
    The idea behind the "sinners prayer" is just that, to call upon the Lord. The Eunuch made a profession of faith, the thief on the cross called upon Jesus to remember him.

    If you think that you have to use the prayer on the back of gospel tract or some other memorized prayer then you are way off. But as we share the gospel with lost people having the structure and form of such a prayer can be very helpful.

    I always emphasis that it is not the prayer that saves but believing what the prayer says. Most people have in their hearts put their faith in Christ BEFORE they are able to express that faith in the words of the prayer.
     
  3. Jim1999

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    Many people do not know how to vocalize before God. It is understandable why we would have some form of written prayer for the new convert. Or as some preachers do, "Pray after me," and the new convert repeats that prayer. Is it less real because it is pre-written? That will depend on the heart of the person repeating it, and the counsel that went before.

    Sometimes I think we expect too much from new converts, hence the reason for serious follow up.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  4. PeterM

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    Oh brother...:tonofbricks:
     
  5. mparkerfd20

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    Yeah I was afraid I had. That was the first video that came up when I search for Soul Winning demonstration. I recognized the name I thought too....

    Anyway I tend to like the approach that Paul Washer describes in this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt9V4Q5n9gs
     
  6. webdog

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    As someone who spoke out against "Spam"derson quite often here...I honestly say except for the last 30 seconds, he did a good job of presenting The Gospel. Of course we see no followup, or even asking "Dave" if this was something he wanted to do at the time, but only "repeat after me" which I can see leading some to a false hope. What I'm seeing here, though, is the lack of faith in the Holy Spirit who is the one to convict "Dave" in the first place. We don't know if all 50 were saved, or none were...only God does.
     
  7. annsni

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    I agree - it was a good job of presenting the Gospel except that he made it more about "fire insurance" than being a child of the most high God. While I agree that you can murder and still get into heaven (that nothing can take you away from the love of God that has been secured for us), I don't think telling someone that you can murder or do whatever you want - if you believe in Jesus, that's all that matters - is helpful at all. Why NOT say the prayer? It means nothing to your life. You just get your ticket stamped to get into heaven and you're set.

    Oh - my daughter caught the "Jesus died on the cross, was buried, descended into hell for 3 days then rose again" thing. I disagree strongly that Jesus descended into hell. ;)

    OH - and another thing that had me laughing was that he read a verse out of the KJV (John 3:16) then translated it to the guy! Wasn't God's Word enough? He had to translate "whosoever"? Just thought that was ironic.
     
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    :laugh: I was thinking while he was folding the Bible back STOP...YOUR'E BENDING GOD
     
  9. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    Oh my word! I didn't think of that!!! ROTFL
     
  10. Berean

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    Would someone explain what we mean by "Leading someone to the Lord" The Scripture commands us to only preach the Gospel. The Holy Spirit convicts the lost (called) and calls them to repentance and upon repentance Christ comes into their hearts after which the saved confesses Christ before men and is baptised. I don't think repentance needs explaining. Did I read the scripture correctly? We are also commanded to disciple or "teach them whatso ever things I have commanded you".
     
  11. Jim1999

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    Berean, May I recommend a book for you. It is well worth reading and will show everything one should know when coming to Christ and beyond.

    The Fight, byJohn White, InterVarsity Press. The cost is about $9.00 US and available off the net. www.InterVarsitypress.com

    cheers,

    Jim
     
  12. Tom Butler

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    I haven't always thought this way, but I'm coming to the point where we have to tell a lost sinner what to pray in order to be saved, we have done a poor job of witnessing. Nobody in the New Testament felt it was necessary.

    It takes time to explain the gospel and its implications for the lost person. I've seen people frantically leafing through Romans, reading the appropriate Road verses quickly, as if they were on the clock.

    I'd love to know how long Philip and the eunuch rode in the chariot as Philip explained Isaiah 53. Remember, Philip didn't have the Roman Road or the sinner's prayer. He witnessed out of the Old Testament.

    I fear we act as if the Holy Spirit is incapable to revealing truth from the word of God, that it all depends on us.
     
  13. Jim1999

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    The Bible does not list all the minute details of each encounter either. We only get a capsule.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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