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A question concerning gluttony

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by jsn9333, Feb 13, 2008.

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  1. Amy.G

    Amy.G New Member

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    That brings back memories of my son when he was a little boy. I used to read that story to him and he called the tar baby the "guitara baby". :laugh: Ah the joys of motherhood.

    You are right though. When you're stuck, you're stuck.
     
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  2. tinytim

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    Mmmmmm... Fruits....
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  3. rbell

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    Tim's post has apeel.

    I have seeds of doubt as to whether or not he'll ever get to the core of the argument. But his post....and my explanation...do make a great pear. Heck...just reading this thread has gotten me juiced.

    I must admit: upon first reading his post, I thought it lacked punch. But after thinking it over, I realized that there was enough zest in his words to preserve the intent he wanted to get across.

    Ya'll give us your thoughts! This thread is ripe for discussion.
     
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  4. Tom Bryant

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    I envy people who can do that with words. :thumbs: Does it just come to you or is there a microsoft or apple program I can use. :laugh:
     
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  5. Amy.G

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    Show offs.
     
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  6. rbell

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    Honestly...it's not a technological thing. Parents really have a lot to do with it. Something about the raisin' of children.
















    :laugh:
     
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  7. tinytim

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    rbell, you lemonhead!!! You must truly be the apple of God's eye... And I want to thank you for all the times you have gotten me out of a jam here on BB...
    Orange you glad there are those of us here that are a little fruity.
    If people like you were not here, this place would be plum dry...

    But as it stands, we are a bunch of bananas.. and a whole lot of fruitcakes... Just make sure you don't drink too much from the fruit of the vine or you will be called a drunkard.. and I will not eat so much that I become rotten!
     
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    If I keep reading this, I will be called a glutton for punishment... not very good but at least a try.:BangHead:
     
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    Tim, rbell...you are both nuts!

    love,

    Sopranette
     
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  10. saturneptune

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    Rbell,
    I read somewhere last week that diet cokes, 7ups, etc, actually cause one to gain weight over the long run. That seems backwards, but thats what I read.

    A link to one of the articles
    http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20050613/drink-more-diet-soda-gain-more-weight
     
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  11. tinytim

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    Would that be Walnuts, or Acorns?

    I knew a Hazel once.. and she was nuts....

    I also had an old sunday school teacher named meg... she was nuts too..
    She was affectionately known as nutmeg...
     
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    I miss Jerry Falwell

    and I have wondered if Jerry Falwell had been more concern about his physical part of him as he was about his personal part of him. He sure did love and serve the Lord and he was very vital to the Moral Majority. I was hoping that his life would have been many more years to serve the Lord.

    I have enjoyed all of you posters. But I am wondering why it is only on the "Baptist only form". I am sure that others who are not Baptist on this fine messageboard would like to join this Biblical discussion.
     
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    [​IMG]
    Wow I can really dive into this. I think that I'll go bake a pie. :laugh:
    TinyTim, you are truly gracious. Now that is what I call a serving of Grace and if you don't mind I in for seconds.

    Serve it up Tim, serve it up.
     
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  14. Joe

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    Untrue. See your bolded post below. You made the comparison between two Pastors (see your post below, I bolded) then said you prefer to have a Pastor who acknowledges his addiction to stealing than a Pastor who eats poorly (Gluttony) while living in denial. Maybe you forgot.
    Showing Grace with other posters is also a BB rule along with not posting sexual content.
    ALL Christians sin outright and repeatedly. This doesn't normally cause us to question their honesty.
    Grace comes to mind as a fruit of the Spirit
    You say you don't doubt Falwell was a Christian yet in almost the same breath, you state if he committed the sin of gluttony by eating himself to death, you then would probably doubt his faith.
    Again, you give Falwell the benefit of the doubt saying the evidence shows he was ignorant of his sin, and likely had a pure heart yet you do another 360 turn and say Falwell seems to have talked himself out of responsibility before God for gluttony.
    I can agree with that...:)
     
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  15. rbell

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    I'm an "occam's razor" kind of guy. Ingest fewer calories...gain less weight (of course, avoiding starvation-diet stuff, etc.)

    My opinion on above research: some overweight folks, trying to correct their ways, start drinking diet drinks. Psychologically, this gives them "wiggle room" calorically. Thus, they eat more.

    Anyhoo...I cut out sweetened drinks, and lost weight, so whatever research they had didn't take on lil' ol' me...:laugh:
     
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    My apologies if my comparison violated the "no sexuality" rule. I was not trying to get graphic, just pointing out that I'd rather have a pastor whose sin was not hidden than one who seemed ok on the outside but corrupt in private. My point was that we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover.
     
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  17. jsn9333

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    Do you realize you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing me of? By vilifying anyone who uses the words "Falwell" and "glutton" in the same breath you are essentially saying Falwell was not a glutton. That is a judgment my friend. It happens to be a positive one judgment, but it is still a judgment... according to your faulty definition of the word. Or you are saying it is wrong to speak of Falwell's obesity and analyze it. That is a judgment also.

    While I have shared my opinion, I have made it abundantly clear that whether or not any particular act of Jerry was a sin is in the hands of One Judge. I have shared an opinion. You just happen to be condemning me as "judging" because you think your opinion has more merit then mine.

    Also, the man you cited below was not a glutton nor a drunkard. Just because the pharisees call someone a thing doesn't make it true.

    I will say this, however. If Jesus did have 400lbs of extra crispy fried chicken on his waste and was stumbling around with vodka on his breath.... I would tend to agree with the Pharisee's assessment. Thank God, however, that wasn't the case. Jesus died at the hands of the Pharisees, not from one to many sausage biscuits clogging his arteries and not from liver disease from too much alcohol.



     
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    I'll say again, I was pointing out one thing and one thing only; I'd rather have a pastor who recognizes his sin then one who is ignorant of when he has sinned. I used the stealing example b/c there are some in this thread who don't think overeating to the point of obesity is a sin, and I did not want to use the example the original poster gave (of addiction to pornography). Its that easy. Believe it or not, sometimes people mean something different then what you take them to mean. So believe me or don't believe me, either way it doesn't change the point I was trying to make.

    And as far as Falwell, Romans 14:14 indicates that if someone talks himself out of certain things being sinful, then those things can cease to be sinful for that particular person (and visa versa if I talk myself into chewing gum being sinful, then for me it can actually become sinful). It has to do with the man's conscience before God and whether or not he *actually* believes he has sinned. Whether or not one actually thinks he is sinning makes a difference; it is the difference between intentional sin and unintentional sin.

    Maybe this analogy will help you to understand what I'm trying to say. If I think I robbed someone but actually what I took was merely abandoned property, my heart is still as evil as if I had robbed someone. I intended to steal and, in my mind, I did steal. And if I think I took abandoned property, but in reality I had accidentally robbed someone, then my heart is still as pure as if I had not robbed anyone.

    Basically what I'm saying is that it is my hope that Falwell had a pure heart before God... then he was not in "willful defiance" concerning his gluttony. His mental state doesn't affect the sinfulness of gluttony in general, but it can indicate whether he was 1) simply ignorant or 2)was a man who willfully continued in sin for his entire life even to the point that it killed him.

     
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    I understand now. Thank you
     
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    Psalm 130:3 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

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