A question for KJVO (not intended for bashing)

Michelle, HOT DOG, we agree on something. Let's celebrate.

In all seriousness, I do agree that Christian bookstores can be dangerous, especially to young or new Christians. Now, I will disagree on the Bible versions, but I will agree on the other material that you will find. There is often a lot of material which should not be found in a religious bookstore and it is getting worse as time goes along.

For instance, a Christian should feel comfortable going into Lifeway and buying anything on the shelf without having to think about whether or not it is going to be doctrinally accurate. But, we have to realize that this is not the case and that discrimination of what we purchase is no longer an option.

I do agree with Dr. Bob; however, that a Bible in Greek or and MV can be sold in a bookstore, you guys can get all over me for that, but that's how I feel. I'm not going to appologize for that.

 

If it "forbids" its members, sounds an awfully lot like legalism to me. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, I better clarify that. It forbids the students of it's "Bible College" to shop at those stores. But i have from a reliable source (the brother-in-law of one of the students) that the members are strongly advised against it. (Reference the article posted by Askjo.)

 

Neither was I. In fact, I hadn't mentioned the biblie-version issue at all. Still, it appears to come down to what one doesn't like, as opposed to what's really "dangerous". For example, if I want to pick up a copy of Rick Warren's "A Purpose Driven Life", or Robert Schuller's "The Be Happy Attitudes", or Dr Laura Schlessinger's "The Ten Commandments: The Significance of God's Laws in Everyday Life", then I should be able to, even though someone else may consider them "dangerous". Heck, to a non-onlyist like me, I consider the works of David Cloud and Jack Chick to be dangerous, not to mention version-onlyism to be unscriptural and anti-fundamental, but to tell someone they should avoid a bookstore that sells this material sounds to me like onlyism which extends past a bible version.

We're talking BOOKSTORE here. I don't expect my Christian bookstore to be a substitute for church or fellowship, and I definitely do not give a Christian bookstore to police my spirituality (nor do I or anyone else have the right to plice theirs). I do, however, expect them to carry resources that a majority of Christians would purchase, whether I like them or not.

Perhaps it would be better to allow a person to make up his own mind, rather than you makng it up for him. For example, I, too, don't care for the Left Behind series. But if another person wants to know where to get a copy, I'd probably direct them to the local Christian bookstore.

 

(duplicate post deleted)

 

Luke 16
8 And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

HankD

 

JohnV. Usually, you and I see eye to eye. I agree with you on the bookstores on one level, you should be able to get what you want to.

I have what might be a solution to the problem. Place books that are in question in a seperate section from the basic stuff that is never questioned.

Simply use a sign that this material is not approved by any Christian association or whatever you want. Just let young Christians know that there could be some differences in opinion.

It is a very difficult line to draw. Where do you draw the line between New Age books, etc. and Christian books. I guess maybe you can't, so maybe you are right; if a pastor wants to warn his flock of possible problems in a Christian bookstore, I do not personally see anything wrong with that. But, to ban them from going, yeah, I've got a problem there.

Actually, I think I have talked myself into just saying your right, there is not much of a solution, buyer beware.

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Johnv,

I can't help but feel from reading your post to me, that you misunderstood me. If a christian bookstore is selling things in their store, that I do not agree with, and think is dangerous, that is their own perogative to do so, and my own decision not to shop there. All I was saying, is that I do not usually shop there, and I would warn others of some of the dangers therein if they asked me about it. I did even mention to one of the workers at one of the christian bookstores in one of the malls around here, that the movie "Joshua" was an ecumenical movie. He just looked at me wierd, and said he would tell the manager. That was that. At least I said something about it. That is all I could do. I then realized thereafter, there are many christians out there, and many christians today are involved in ecumenical movements, and many don't even know what ecumenicism is or that the movement they are in is ecumenical. I am not saying at all they should ban any books. I also have come to realize and understand that they are a business, and are catering to all christians.

By the way, most christian bookstores do not carry books by authors I trust and read their books. Many of the books sold in christian bookstores, can also be found in Borders and Books, and Barnes and Nobles. The authors I trust and read cannot be found in either stores. Dave Hunt is just one of mention. But, I also have not ventured into a christian bookstore in a while, so it might be different today. If I want to purchase a book by Dave Hunt, or a book by David Cloud, or a book by Dr. Dennis Cuddy, etc. I know where I can find them. It is sad to see that the bookstores do not offer the books by the authors that I like and trust. I am not surprised though, for the world is at emnity with God, and those things that sell well for the bookstores, are most likely not representing the truth.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


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Johnv quoted:

We're talking BOOKSTORE here. I don't expect my Christian bookstore to be a substitute for church or fellowship, and I definitely do not give a Christian bookstore to police my spirituality (nor do I or anyone else have the right to plice theirs). I do, however, expect them to carry resources that a majority of Christians would purchase, whether I like them or not.
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John,

Maybe I didn't make my point clear. I wasn't talking about the "bookstore" but the book/s being purchased that are dangerous, and I was speaking of myself and what I have applied from God's truth to my life. I do not read books from authors who are liberal, heretics, apostates, or involved in anything that would dictate to me, not to fellowship with them. I hope this makes it more clear for you and others who may have misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I think it's dangerous to decide that a Christian bookstore is "dangerous" simply because they carry material one doesn't like. After all, my local Christian bookstore sells Precious Moments wares, and I can't stand them. Doesn't mean they're dangerous.
</font>[/QUOTE]They are Johnv, especially if your wife puts them on a shelf that is over your favorite chair, and then she slams the door!!!!

Seriously Michelle, what do you consider dangerous at a Bible bookstore? I assume you are talking about other versions. Are there other things lurking about that are dangerous?

 

It is interesting to tell you that Jesus did not commend the steward for being unjust. Rather, He commended him for looking toward the future.

 

The last time I checked the Baptist Bookstores were selling some charismatic books. Check out their catalogs.

 

OK.

But the remarks I made have to do with Christian Book stores selling Modern Versions (Supply) because they (MV's) now out sell the KJV and it's what Christians want (Demand) as an alternative to your remark about their motivation of "pride".

They may be responding (as any good business man) to the law of Supply and Demand within their personal moral set of values as Christians. Not everyone excepts the radical minority view of the KJVO.

HankD

[ April 03, 2004, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: HankD ]

 

Sure, their pocket$ of intense apostasy is because of perilous times. Men increasingly apostatize -- wax worse and worse!

 

I go to the bookstore that has the best deals on the books that I want or need. I think every KJVOer should buy everything he/she can on both sides of the debate. (From Ruckman to White)For that matter, I'm not afraid of any book. I pulled out my Book of Mormon the other day and witnessed to some Mormons out of it. The Bible says,

Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

If the "other side" scares you then perhaps you need to make sure. It pays to hear both sides.

The Bible says "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

(Mine does anyway. Ya'll can "work hard", "be diligent", and, "do your best" all you want. I'm gonna study.)

Lacy

 

Well, lacy, I see you have an open mind. That means you may study enuff that you'll learn KJVO is a man-made myth that has nothing FROM GOD in its favor.

I agree with you 100% when you say every KJVO should obtain all the literature he/she can from BOTH sides of the issue. Well, that's what I did, and that's why I can say with complete confidence that KJVO is a false myth. I tracked down the SOURCES for every assertion made in all those books and articles written by both sides, and I've found that, while there are a FEW mistakes on the anti-onlyism side,("Turtle" is wrong in Lev.12:8,for instance)there's a MOUNTAIN of incorrect KJVO assertions in their literature, as well as NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for their myth. keeping as open mind as possible, I concluded that there's simply no substance to the KJVO doctrine, and its MAN-MADE origins are quite clear.

I hope YOU do the same thing, Lacy!

 

Is Turtle the problem, or is our limited knowledge of the English language the problem? If all else fails look the word up. That's what I tell my 8th graders. If we had an AMSV (American Middle School Version) we would only be able to use about 25-30 words and assorted grunts and rude noises.


Noah Webster 1828
TUR'TLE, n. [L. turtur.]

1. A fowl of the genus Columba; called also the turtle dove, and turtle pigeon. It is a wild species, frequenting the thickest parts of the woods, and its note is plaintive and tender.

2. The name sometimes given to the common tortoise.

3. The name given to the large sea-tortoise.


turtle is also found in 4 definitions:


pigeon
turtle-dove
turtle-shell
wing

newer Webster's

turtle (turt'l) pl. -tles or -tle
n.
1 any of a large and widely distributed order (Testudines) of terrestrial or aquatic reptiles having a toothless beak and a soft body encased in a tough shell into which, in most species, the head, tail, and four legs may be withdrawn: although aquatic, esp. marine, species are usually called turtle and land species are usually called tortoise, the terms are properly interchangeable for all species
2 the flesh of some turtles, used as food
3 short for turtleneck
4 archaic var. of turtledove

Etymology
[altered, prob. infl. by turtle(dove) &lt; Fr tortue, tortoise &lt; VL *tartaruca: see tortoise]

The Word teaches us exactly how to deal with older uses of words.

1 Samuel 9:9 (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)

I never understood the big deal, just explain it and go on. There are Words in the MVs that are difficult and unfamiliar too. Take out "turtle" and it loses some of the beauty.

Lacy

 

robycop3

I re-read your post and I think I missed your point huh?

Lacy

 

Lacy, I agree with you on reading "all" literature on particular subjects.

I might not go as far as to witness to a Mormon using his or her own book, unless I was showing them inconsistencies and I think that is probably what you are saying.

I have read the Koran, The Book of Mormon, and the Living Bible which is a paraphrase complete with errors.

This however, does not extend, at least in my book, to pornography. I do not have to see, to know what they are reading. I also believe that something like pornography will never be flushed completely from the human mind as long as we are alive, unless we develope a brain disorder.

Might I also highly suggest something? It might not be a bad idea for New Christians to stick with the Bible and recommended study books until they have their faith locked in. Then they can study without fear of being "sold" by someone like Ruckman who uses a lot of "facts" that are completely "out of context."