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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Galatian, Dec 3, 2006.

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  1. The Galatian

    The Galatian New Member

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    Recently, I was discussing a religious topic with a person who identified himself as a Baptist, and he told me that he did not regard Jesus as equal to the Father.

    Following up, I asked him, if He considered Jesus to be Lord and God. He replied that Jesus was Lord and Savior, but avoided saying that he thought Jesus was also God.

    This seems odd, since all Baptists I ever knew were orthodox Trinitarians. Knowing that Baptists have little use for creeds, my question is, "How much leeway do Baptists have in the question of Jesus as God?" By that, I mean, how much before they really can't be considered Baptists?

    I'm not trying to throw a bomb here, I'm just puzzled.
     
    #1 The Galatian, Dec 3, 2006
  2. Amy.G

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    I'd say your friend is confused and wrong. I don't know any Baptists who don't believe in the diety of Christ.
     
    #2 Amy.G, Dec 3, 2006
  3. The Galatian

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    I know. He, BTW, once said that he accepted the deity of Christ, but as subordinate to the Father, and he did not want to affirm that Christ was Lord and God, as Thomas acknowledges.

    I suspected that he is merely posing as a Baptist, and that suspicion has grown of late.
     
    #3 The Galatian, Dec 3, 2006
  4. Amy.G

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    That is definitely not a Baptist doctrine! Sounds more like JW's or Mormons.
     
    #4 Amy.G, Dec 3, 2006
  5. billwald

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    Neither is you friend "Christian." That is an old heresy that the Ecumenical Creeds were written to resolve. You say 'Baptists don't "believe in" the creeds?" If Baptists don't substantially accept the material in the creeds then neither are Baptists, "Christian."
     
    #5 billwald, Dec 3, 2006
  6. dispen4ever

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    To respond to the OP, I have never met a Southern Baptist who did not humble self before the Truth of scripture which identifies Jesus, the Son of God and Son of Man, as God Himself. God manifested Himself in the flesh, and boy, am I glad He did! Suggest to your friend that further study ---no, further prayer--- is indicated.

    :flower:
     
    #6 dispen4ever, Dec 3, 2006
  7. Not_hard_to_find

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    I agree with the general assessment. But I cannot imagine one desiring to pose as a Baptist -- it takes perserverance just to be one!

    And, that is spoken as one for more than a half century.
     
    #7 Not_hard_to_find, Dec 3, 2006
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    Good point raised here - not so much about whether most Baptists are Trinitarian - but more along the lines of the "priesthood of all believers" and the idea of "no creed" getting in the way of Baptists "wanting" to say that all baptists are trinitarian -- then what do you do when you find one that is not?

    Say "Yep that is baptist too"???

    In that case - the term means nothing
     
    #8 BobRyan, Dec 3, 2006
  9. The Galatian

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    [quote[You say 'Baptists don't "believe in" the creeds?"[/quote]

    Not quite. I said they have little use for creeds. I don't personally know any who don't believe everything in the Nicene creed, for example.

    But if I understand them correctly, that's not the case.
     
    #9 The Galatian, Dec 3, 2006
  10. tinytim

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    Your friend is wrong,

    But he can call himself Baptist as anyone can... you are right, the term Baptist means very little now.
     
    #10 tinytim, Dec 3, 2006
  11. Jim1999

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    Baptists don't recite the creeds during a worship service as do, say, Anglicans, but this is not to say we don't believe in the creeds. There was a Baptist creed many years ago that was recited during morning worship services, but that just came to an end.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #11 Jim1999, Dec 3, 2006
  12. The Galatian

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    Yes, I understand that. Thanks to all of you for your posts.
     
    #12 The Galatian, Dec 4, 2006
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