Featured A Secret Rapture? How Can It Be?

Its a generality not specific. If we equate time with a ruler it is similar to the rapture happening at 11 15/16"...the end of the ruler.

 

He believes the rapture will happen......on the last day,

 

Rather than type it all out myself, this article explains the 70 weeks of Daniel. Without studying Daniel it is impossible to understand end times.

69 weeks have been accomplished, with 1 week left yet to be finished, culminating in the full 70 weeks.


http://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation.html

 

I have actually spent some time thinking about this question. I tend to agree with the number of actual saved persons at that exact point in time as being much less than we might expect. The ones left are the ones that are not saved at that point in time. Now, if another major event or theory occurs at the same time as the Rapture, it could be used to explain away the missing. For example, some type of celestial event we are unfamiliar with, or using a similar theory of another religion. All I am saying is that I am sure the Anti Christ, if that is how the end times actually occurs, will have no trouble coming up with a reason other than Jesus Christ of the Bible starting the end time clock.

I have heard that some people think the ones left behind should be the saved, and the ones taken are the lost. There would not be many left if that is the case.

 

Daniel 9:24- 27
24. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Q1. From the above Scripture when was the Messiah, Jesus Christ cut off, that is killed?

A1. He was killed AFTER the 69th week. That means he was killed during the 70th week.

Q2. When did "sacrifice and oblation cease"?

A2. In the midst of the 70th week! With the death of Jesus Christ sacrifice ceased as far as God was concerned. Jesus Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice for sin.

Now it is true that the Jews continued to offer useless sacrifice in the temple until God had it destroyed in 70 AD. There is absolutely no Scriptural basis for the insertion of 2000+ years between the 69th and 70th week!

 

Old Regular.....I need to speak to you privately. I will be pinging you on the PM in just a few.

 

What part of the op do you not understand? Twice you were asked not to debate the view or participate.

 

Just how does that view comport with the following Scripture?

Revelation 7:9-17
9. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10. And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12. Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
16. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
17. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

 

Greg, the trolls are hungry...

 

Greg.... if you will allow me this side comment!

most people, if you have been here long enough, are on somebodies ignore list....soon nobody will be able to talk to anyone cause......We are all on each others "Ignore" list...LOL!!! :smilewinkgrin:

 

This is an open Forum. The purpose is for all to discuss, debate Scripture. There are no private threads.

But it is still a free country and you are entitled to a non response. In fact if you don't want to read my posts you can put me on your ignore list and then you will not be offended by my posts!

 

It would seem to me that if you are not ashamed of your viewpoint you would be happy to defend it and perhaps convince others of their error!

 

Yep...............

 

This is a Baptist Forum. I believe the dispensational eschatology is contrary to Scripture and to historic Baptist doctrine. I will continue to express my understanding of Scripture on this Forum. If dispensationalists are wary of what Scripture teaches then so be it!

 

Am I to assume that dispensationalists are a privileged class and they can utilize a debate forum to pat each other on the back while those who reject the error of dispensationalism sit idly by. I believe your doctrine is wrong, therefore, I submit the following Scripture for your prayerful consideration.

2 Timothy4:1-4
1. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Of course you can always petition the administrators to establish a separate Dispensationalism Forum where only those who hold that doctrine can participate. Then you can spend your time building each other up rather than study and understand Scripture through the eyes of the Holy Spirit instead of Darby/Scofield.

Finally it is a fact that many are deserting the classic dispensationalist teaching regarding both the "parenthesis" Church and the pre-trib eschatology. For that fact I thank God.