A Step CLoser to Civil War?

Duly constituted? :laugh:

 

I don't think this country will ever be involved in another civil war. We surrender before it is declared. We no longer take a stand for the things that are near and dear. The two most phony wars we have engaged in in the last 50 years are the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs. Both are a farce and we are losing both badly.

 

Why do you think the US government (as opposed to an administration) is not duly constituted ?
Obama may have stolen the election, and I maintain he did, but no one took him to task for it, so, as it stands right now, in accordance with the US constitution, his office is duly constituted.
Anyone who takes up arms right now against his government and administration is breaking the law, and a Christian participating, directly or indirectly, in such a venture had better pause and examine whether he be in the faith (that is to say, whether he knows his Scripture, or not).

 

If corporations, international bankers, Wall Street, etc, has taken power from we the people and are dictating everything that goes on in our lives, then we are to blame. If they have this power, we ceded it to these entities. If we were being the citizens and Christians we are suppose to be, we would have guarded the Constitution with our very lives and lived up to our responsibilites. Instead we started focusing on me, myself and I instead of the Lord and our fellow man. The more we focused, the more dull our senses got about our rights. We started depending on the government. The bottom line is, if we are ready and willing to give up our power, then organizations like the ones mentioned above are more than happy to take it from us. So, it really becomes immaterial whether these organizations are conspiring against us or not. The fact is the fault lies square on our shoulders. In addition, we elect leaders that reflect us, so what do you expect?

A question that I have wondered about since the US left the Phillipines, what has become of places like Subic Bay, the old Army and Navy haunts, from say 40+ years ago?

 

Unfortunately I think you're right.

I don't think that this generation of American citizens possesses the character to rebel against an oppressive government in defense of its Constitutional rights.

 

It's one "L" and 2 "P"s. lol.
Spelling police. hehehe.
anyway, Subic Bay has been converted to a duty-free zone. I think it's got factories inside also. The government has maintained the forests, hopefully as well as the US Navy did.
Clark Air Base has been converted into an International Airport with some more duty-free shops.
John Hay Air Base has, as I understand, become more tourism oriented.

I was skeptical of the current president and all his vows to minimize corruption and all that, but it seems I was wrong. He IS actually doing it, and more businesses are coming in as a result. The Philippine economy, as I hear it, is perking up.

More locals are doing the tourist scene, therefore more money is circulating, and that is because they woke up to the fact that it is THEIR country, not just the bourgeouissie's nor the foreign tourists.

I say this because back when I wore a younger man's clothes (apologies to Billy Joel) the poor were mostly of the mindset that the tourist spots and the beach resorts were, for some reason, off-limits to them.

Have you seen the Big Boss by Bruce Lee, where there was a scene where he wanted to go see a zoo in China, and the guard pointed him to a sign that said: Dogs and Chinese not allowed ?

It wasn't that extreme, but that was the general atmosphere then, when I was so "in" with this rage against the dictatorship, his cronies, crony capitalism, multinationals, and, hey, don't get rubbed the wrong way now, alright....US imperialism and low-intensity conflict.

I know what Poncho is saying, and like I said, been there, done that, no more for me.

 

Actually, and I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers here, America started to soften from the Vietnam War.

All that blood spilled, all those kids who "bought the farm" over there, and US leadership buckled up to the protests here at home.
You all were not defeated, in fact, by the Cong or the NVA.

The US was defeated by its own people, by the anti-war songs of the Beatles and the likes of Don Mc'lean and James Taylor and Janis Joplin and Bruce Springsteen and the Monkees and the propaganda of the likes of John Kerry and Jane Fonda, the former of which is going to be the Secretary of State because what Obama wants, Obama gets.

The US was defeated by drugs and its obsession with the wet works of the CIA, the NSA, etc., by its "authors" who come out with confession after confession of how they worked to undermine other countries, and by its ultra-liberal media and "journalists".

These are the same things which are defeating the US today, IMHO.
So we send young men and women to war, and we expect that war to be a clean war.
No "innocent" blood spilled, rules of engagement that practically tie up the troops' hands, etc., etc.

And as soon as the liberals and the politically correct freaks raise their voices and the liberal media print their "articles", man, the mood is, never mind the blood spilled, let's just get the hell outta there.

Days ago, somebody in one thread insinuated that armed resistance seems to be the only option, and I said, "won't happen here", and somebody said he is bothered by that reply or mindset.

And I'm saying it again, "won't happen here".
Why not ?
Because armed resistance needs popular support because armed resistance does not begin with an en masse uprising.
It begins with pockets, here, there, then everywhere.
It needs momentum, and momentum comes from popular support.
Sadly the general population would rather sit in their armchair and become armchair experts, they'd rather have their Oprah Winfreys and their gyms and their cables and their iphones and their twitters and their Lady Gagas and, oh, yeah, their drugs, their porns.
That's one more reason I am against armed resistance.
It's not only unChristian, it will result in a blood bath for nothing, at the worst, or at best, more liberties taken away from the people, because we have at the White House, a ruthless, determined fascist.
Funny how most Americans talk of being against fascism and authoritarianism, and not know one when everyday they see its face on TV.

 

My brothers and sisters...are we invisioning the hand of God in all of this...or are we allowing the devil free rein over our emotions...lets have peace in the knowledge that God reigns & we are his.

Blessings to all! :godisgood:

 

Once on a stop over in Norfolk, VA, I was told about fifteen years earlier, say in the 50s, there were signs at civilian establishments around the Naval base that said "dogs and sailors keep off the grass."

 

woooohhh. man, that is heavy. lol.

 

Interesting. But given that we are to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, at what point , if ever, should Christians take up arms to keep government bullies from taking what is worked for in order to give it to others? We seem to specifically be talking about money here

Are we as Christians supposed to be so consumed by money and stuff that we are ready to take up arms to hold onto that which isn't eternal?

 

So be it.
Since it is my contention that it is unChristian, I cannot say "God bless".
I will say, with all my heart, "good luck to that".

 

Too often we like to make the default " a matter of personal conviction" when God has spoken to the issue.

So for what reason exactly are we talking about it being okay for Christians to take up arms? You say to fight against those who oppress others. But what oppression are we talking about???

 

Zaac--if you continue to focus only on the eternal, and give no thought to our daily lives in our fleshly bodies in this rotten world...how long will you or your family be in this world?

The ultimate conclusion of what you said is to stop working, stop going to school, stop buying goods and services, and simply lay down and die, allowing us to pass on to our heavenly home.

Do you have a job? If so, why?

 

The silliness of this whole thread aside, I actually looked up guns per capita by state.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/06/28/states-with-the-most-guns.html

Kentucky was number one by a long shot, which surprised me. I also had expected Florida to be much higher on the list than it really is, at number 42.