A step in the wrong direction

Nope. No learning going on there... everything is firmly set in concrete. That much has been proven time and again.

I have no use for the Catholic Church and its practices, but just because they happen to do something that is actually found in the bible does not mean I won't do it because of them. Our Lord's crucifixion is a somber time, but we can still rejoice in it as it was this very act that bought us salvation.

Peggy is correct about the Jewish observance of days. Last time I checked Jesus was Jewish and was speaking to other Jews when He said that He would be in the tomb for three days.

 

It is also quite possible that Jonah was not a literal 72 hours in the whale's belly. But whatever.

 

==I'm not sure how logical that is. We could use the same logic to support removing crosses from church buildings or refusing to meet at 11am on Sunday mornings. Simply because churches do some of the same things does not mean that doctrine is not important nor does it mean that lines of distinction between those churches have been erased. As Christians, we may differ on some points of doctrine but that does not mean we can't share many things in common. For example, I'm not going to stop celebrating Christmas or Easter just because the Methodists and Presbyterians celebrate those days. Stilllearning, your logic just does not hold water. You need to go back to the drawing board on this one.

==Why not? You have not explained why those days are contrary to the Word of God.

==That is misuse of the Scriptures. The Scriptures tell us to come out from among the world and the world's system. That text has nothing to do with the observance of certain days (holidays) by Christians and churches. The Biblical position on the celebration of days is explained by the Apostle Paul in Romans 14:5-12. Paul makes it clear that, "he who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God" (vs 6). The Apostle asks, "who are you to judge the servant of another?" (vs4). Some people regard "one day above another, another regards every day alike" (vs5). This is a matter of Christian freedom and you, in your op, are violating that freedom.

That churches, both orthodox and heretical, have similar practices does not mean that the differences, both meaningful and unimportant, have been erased. Nor does it equal an endorsement of another church's doctrine and practice. Stilllearning, your OP is unBiblical both in it's content and attitude. Legalism occurs when we allow human rules to take away Biblical freedoms.

 

==Peggy is Biblically and historically correct. Jesus was a Jew, He taught and spoke to Jews, so He must be understood in that context. Failure to pay attention to that context will result in misunderstanding and error. That Jesus was crucified on Friday is clearly seen in the Gospels. Jesus had to buried and buried quickly because His execution occured on "preparation day, that is, the day before the Sabbath" (Mk 15:42). Since the Sabbath was/is on Saturday, His death occured on Friday. Jewish law required that He be buried before sundown on Friday since that is when the Sabbath began.

Therefore, Stilllearning, both history and Scripture argue that you can't understand the 3 days & 3 nights as a literal 72 hours. It must be understood in terms of the Jewish calendar. Keep in mind, none of his disciples had any problem with this. Why not? Because they were Jewish and understood how these things worked.

 

==That is an interesting claim but it lacks any Biblical or historical evidence. To claim that the Sabbath day mentioned in John 19:31 was not on Saturday requires historical evidence that you have not provided. Yes, it was a special Sabbath because it fell during the Passover feast. However it was on a Saturday, the day after the "day of preparation" (Friday). To make any meaningful claim that it was not on a Saturday is going to require very clear historical evidence that you have simply not provided.

 

My "whatever" was addressed to your cavalier attitude towards the celebration of Easter. Nowhere in the Bible are we commanded to do so and nowhere in the Bible are we told NOT to do so. If you wish not to, that is your prerogative. Let me close with the words of the Apostle on the matter:

Romans 14:5,6

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

 

You need to learn about the Jewish calendar (and Jewish history) if you want anyone to take you seriously. Jewish Calendar starts with the month Nisan, which does not correspond with our Gregorian calendar of January.

 

Only if you are using it for a stepping stone.

You claim to be "learning" but are only interested in trying to vindicate your own legalism. You have proven this several times over here at the BB. This is just another example of this very thing.

 

==Actually the "first month" for the Hebrew was Abid or Nisan which corresponds to our March/April. Secondly the verses you mention talk about Passover and not the Sabbath. Third, Passover occured on a Friday at least twice during the possible period of Jesus' death: AD 30 and AD 33. This corresponds to Nisan 14, 30 or 33 (I go with AD 30 as the most likely year). So, yet again, you have failed to prove that John 19:31 proves that the Sabbath was not on a Saturday. The historical and Biblical evidence leads us to believe it was a Saturday. That Jesus was executed on Friday (before Sunset) and rose early Sunday morning seems, historically and Biblically, beyond serious doubt.

==Proof?

 

==Apparently you are not reading my posts/replies. I based my statements on clear Scripture in post #44, #46, and #48 (my only posts in this thread to this point). Btw, it is very possible that one can quote Scripture and still be wrong and unBiblical. The Catholics and Mormons do it all the time. We have to understand Scripture the way it was meant to be understood. Trying to read our traditions or modern dating methods (etc) into the Scriptures can and does often lead to error. Our use of Scripture must be careful and deliberate. You have tried to make an assertion in this thread that does not fit the testimony of Scripture. That Jesus was crucified on Friday (the day of preparation) is clear in Scripture. However because you, or the person/s you sit under, misunderstand the Hebrew/Jewish understanding of days and nights you are misunderstanding what Jesus said in Matthew 12:40.

Therefore I stand by what I said.

==Yes.

One short definition I found........
“In Christian theology, is a sometimes-pejorative term referring to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of the grace of God or emphasizing the letter of law over the spirit.”
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==Source?

==No, I am simply putting these things in their Scriptural, and therefore historical, context. You are trying to move the days around (Sabbath, etc) to fit your misunderstanding of the Hebrew concept of days. I understand where you are coming from, and I admire your motives, but you are still wrong.

==Your position on "days" in the OP is legalistic. That does not mean you are a legalist or that you teach a works based salvation (etc). It only means that, on that issue, I view your position as being a form of legalism. The same way on the issue of the day of Jesus' crucifixion. While I believe your position on that point is easily proven wrong by Scripture and history, that does not mean you are wrong on other issues.

I have proven my points with Scripture and history. While I don't claim to be an expert on ancient history or Jewish history, I know enough to be able to say that you are misunderstanding how Jesus and His listeners would have understood 3 days and 3 nights in that culture. During the incarnation, Jesus was a first century Jew and therefore He must be understood in that historical context. We can't take our understanding of days (etc) and read those things into the Scriptures. We have to understand these things the way they did if we are to correctly understand what they are saying.

 

Thanks for that clarification. However you never responded to my post regarding Romans 4:5,6- that's Scripture. Wondering what your response is.

 

In some Baptist chuches, the most holy days are Pastor's Anniversary, Rally Day, Friend Day, Mothers Day, Pack-a-Pew Day, etc

 

No one would argue that Jesus rose the third day, but I have a hard time with a Wednesday crucifixion fitting in to that unless He rose before sunset Saturday.

Wednesday afternoon - Thursday afternoon = Day 1
Thursday afternoon - Friday afternoon = Day 2
Friday afternoon - Saturday afternoon = Day 3

In order to rise on the third day it would have been Saturday afternoon. If that is the case, why do we worship on Sunday? Do we actually commemorate the discovery of His resurrection?