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A Thought For Jehovah's Witnesses

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Ulsterman, Feb 9, 2009.

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  1. Ulsterman

    Ulsterman New Member

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    Yesterday the Jehovah's Witnesses came to my door, and as might be expected, began their attack on the deity of Christ. We did a round or two on that, and I pointed out to them that Christ claimed equality with His Father. Of course they expected me to quote John 10:30, "I and my Father are one", in fact they preempted the argument by quoting the verse themselves.

    Instead I referred them to John 5 where Jesus made several statements equating Himself with the Father, and I specified that Jesus had equal power of resurrection, and pointed them to John 5:21, "For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will."

    They said that Jesus could not have raised himself from the dead, since the dead do not exist. I pointed out that Jesus said He had the power to lay down His life , and that He had the power to take it up again. They said this power was the Father's power, and again reiterated the dead do not exist.

    So I asked them this, (and I am sure the Lord brought this thought to mind, as I have never used it with a J.W., before): I said, if that is so, why is Jesus calling Lazarus from the grave in John 11, if Lazarus does not exist? They were clearly stumped. Then one of them said Lazarus did not exist. So I asked them what is the point in Jesus calling out the name of someone who does not exist? Then the other one, said, "Well, he did exist." Now they were huffing and puffing and contradicting each other. I then pointed out if Lazarus did not exist, not only did that make Jesus foolish for calling out his name, but it ultimately resulted in a re-creation of Lazarus, and not a resurrection.

    At this point they accused me of being rude for not allowing them to share their opinions. I pointed out to them that they had knocked my door, and not the other way around, and it was in fact they who were rude if they thought having done so that I should stand there and allow them to preach at me without opportunity of reply. At this point they said I was not interested in anything they had to say (which was true) and left.

    But I thought I would share this thought on Lazarus' resurrection with you, as I never have read this argument before (that I recall), and felt it was one of the most effective responses I have ever given a J.W.
     
    #1 Ulsterman, Feb 9, 2009
  2. Tom Butler

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    Hadn't thought of that before. Great point.

    I got into a similar discussion with some JW visitors, and cited the episode with Thomas. After he had touched the nail prints and felt Jesus' side, he said, "My Lord and my God."

    I asked them why Thomas said that, and why Jesus didn't correct him. They had no answer, except to ask if they could come back have a Bible study and get deeper into the subject.

    Before they left, I asked if I could give them my salvation testimony. After I finished, I asked each of them to tell me about their salvation. I never heard such vague answers in my life.

    It sounds crass to say it, but their hope of heaven depends on how many books they sell.
     
    #2 Tom Butler, Feb 9, 2009
  3. annsni

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    I find I don't usually have time to engage them (why do they ALWAYS come at a bad time) but I found a polite way to ask them to leave. Try to give them a tract or something like the Four Spiritual Laws. They WILL NOT take it. So I've told them that I will only take their materials if they will take mine. They won't take mine then I'm sorry, but I cannot take theirs. That's it.
     
    #3 annsni, Feb 9, 2009
  4. Jim1999

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    I fear JW's are like a train on a one-way track. They must be derailed before one can make any headway at all. Your testimony is prolly the best weapon you have. Showing the effect Jesus has in the life, his life and resurrection and the fact He is coming again to claim his own.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #4 Jim1999, Feb 9, 2009
  5. Jkdbuck76

    Jkdbuck76 Well-Known Member
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    Yes. Your testimony is the best. Then 2nd and 3rd place goes to LOGIC and REASONING.

    I didn't realize that JW's were allowed in the UK.
     
    #5 Jkdbuck76, Feb 9, 2009
  6. Ulsterman

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    Why wouldn't they be allowed in the UK? Our country has freedom of religion, although recent immigrations laws are making it difficult for foreign missionaries of almost any faith to enter the country.
     
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  7. Jim1999

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    Shucks mate, recent immigration laws make it hard for me to return home if I wanted to. Good job I sold my London house when I did......guess who bought it............right on, a Muslim!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #7 Jim1999, Feb 9, 2009
  8. OldRegular

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    One can always use the following Scripture in such circumstances:

    2 John 1:9-11
    9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
     
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  9. Allan

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    But OldReg, in another thread you said that God saves them regardless of what their gospel is/says, so how do you know they aren't saved?
    Here is what you stated just previously in the other thread.
    One can not be a JW and be saved, but in the above you ascert they can be and that some have even come to know the truth.

    If you dismiss those JW's using the verse you quoted above you might actaully be dismissing a brother in Chrsit who is just misinformed.
     
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  10. OldRegular

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    I did not say I knew any Jehovah Witness who had been saved. In fact I only know/knew one. I do know some Roman Catholics and some dispensationalists who have been saved.

    Allan you need to study the following Scripture until you understand it:

    Ephesians 2:1-8, NASB
    1. And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
    2. in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
    3. Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
    4. But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
    5. even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
    6. and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus,
    7. in order that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
    8. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;[/i]

    Please note verses 1-3. Before we were regenerated by the Holy Spirit we were all dead in sin and were by nature children of wrath regardless of whether we called ourself: Mormons, JWs, Roman Catholics, Greek or Russian Orthodox, Pentecostals, Southern Baptists, unbelievers, atheists, or even dispensationalists.

    I assume that even you Allan were at one time dead in sin. If you have never recognized that I suspect now is the time to do so.

    But whether they are brothers in Christ or not then we should dismiss them when they teach a false doctrine. Furthermore, to assume every person who is saved has perfect knowledge of Scripture is asinine. Dispensationalists are living proof of that.
     
    #10 OldRegular, Feb 22, 2009
  11. ktn4eg

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    When a JW comes to my door, I just tell them, "Well, praise the Lord!! I'm one too, don't you know!
    I've been witnessing for Jehovah ever since I trusted Jesus as my Savior and received eternal life from Him!!!" :thumbs:
     
    #11 ktn4eg, Feb 22, 2009
  12. Tom Butler

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    You love messin' with their heads, don't you?
     
    #12 Tom Butler, Feb 22, 2009
  13. Tom Butler

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    Pastor Paul Blizard is a former JW and his website is useful.
    http://www.geocities.com/paulblizard/main2.html

    From there, he linked to Christian Answers.net, where this some valuable instruction on how to witness to Witnesses.

    http://www.christiananswers.net/evangelism/beliefs/jehovahswitness.html

    Michael is mentioned five times in the New World Translation. Ask the JW which of these verses says Michael is Jesus the Christ. Contrast Michael (called "one of the foremost princes") with Jesus (called "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")

    The authors say JWs are prepared to debate the deity of Christ and the Trinity, but are quite uncomfortable over subjecting the "Michael is Jesus" view to open discussion.
     
    #13 Tom Butler, Feb 22, 2009
  14. LeBuick

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    Great job Bro. Ulsterman. I bet your house is now flagged like mine where they won't come knocking for a while. I chased some down the street yesterday but they said they were told to avoid me. So I went door to door saying hi to all my neighbors who so happen to have JW at their door. :thumbsup:

    Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

    How can a dead man offer you eternal life?
     
    #14 LeBuick, Feb 22, 2009
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