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A time to fight

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Ps104_33, Dec 28, 2008.

  1. Ps104_33

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    On Friday, a Hamas spokesman made Israel the following proposal: You keep the stream of humanitarian aid and supplies flowing into Gaza and we will keep launching rockets and mortars at Israeli civilians.
    It was an offer Israel had little choice but to refuse. For weeks Israel has been imploring Hamas to stop shooting across the border, to stop tunneling in preparation for the next round of violence, and to allow our farmers to tend their fields. The Islamists responded that they were not afraid of the IDF and that they reserved the right to resist "the occupation" - meaning the existence of a Jewish state. They brazenly told Israel to get used to the idea that no amount of humanitarian gestures would stem their behavior.

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    Two years ago when 70% of the Palestinians voted FOR Hamas in a free election, the fate of "peace" was sealed, and the only outcome possible was the complete defeat of one or the other of the combatants.

    The Palestinians (at least 70% of them) don't WANT peace, they do not believe Israel should exist, they do not accept Jews as humans, and they will never stop their war to eradicate Israel. Period.

    The only way you fight such people is to meet them with the same kind of resolve and ferocity they display. If they kill 10 of yours, you kill 100 of theirs. If they destroy one of your buildings, you destroy one of their city blocks. If they unleash WMD's on you, you annihilate them.

    War is a human reality -- one either wins, or loses. Which is more "moral?" Pacifism which ensures defeat and the end of your culture, beliefs and way of life, or the destruction of the OTHER guy thru any means necessary?

    Israel has a right to self-preservation -- as does the United States.
     
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    >Israel has a right to self-preservation -- as does the United States.

    As did Ai and Jerico? How about the CSA?
     
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    It was foolish of the Bush administration to push for elections in Palestine before a two state solution was in place.
     
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    There will never be a two state solution. The "palestinians" dont want a two state solution. They want a one state solution and that is what Israel is going to give them.
     
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    If there isn't a two state solution then the current situation will continue on and on and on...

    The Palestinian people will never surrender and terror as a tactic can never be defeated. Unfortunately, as long as there is even one person is willing to die to kill someone else terror will continue to be used as a tactic.

    The only way for Israel to establish a one state solution would be to commit genocide against the Palestinians - kill every last man, woman, and child. I don't think Israel would do such a thing and I would hope that Christians would not support such a thing.
     
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    You left out the cattle, and sewing the land with salt. God commanded it a long time ago. Hopefully Christians will start obeying scripture and not their own foolish hearts. Israel wouldn't have the problems they do today if they were more submissivein the O/T.

    Do you believe any of the O/T, or is it all an illustrative tale ?

    And there are several countries who would do to Israel what you just described, but yet you never are critical of them.
     
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    But Hamas is certainly willing to commit genocide against Israel. Hamas would kill all the Jews today if they had the means. Are you supporting them?

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    No. first you establish two states, then Israel would be impossible to defend.
     
  10. KenH

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    All of it.
     
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    No, I do not support Hamas.
     
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    So what is your solution? The Palestinians are going to be on the West Bank and in Gaza. Is your plan to have Israel to occupy these areas and rule them? Will that stop the Palestinian violence? I don't think so.

    What is your plan to end the Palestinian violence?

    Personally, I think that what we have seen for the past 41.5 years will, unfortunately, continue on and on and on...for the foreseeable future.
     
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    My plan to end the violence ? Stop it . Stop lobbing missles into Jewish cities, stop teaching your kids how to hate, spend money on bringing food & medical supplies instead of arms. In short, care more for the future of your own country that the destruction of another.
     
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    Really ? The creation account ? Noah's ark ? The Tower of Babel ? Jonah in the fish ?

    Glad to hear it !!!

    Keep meditating on those, you'll eventually come around.
     
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    I agree. Now how do you teach people to care about their future when the past has been so bleak? Simply dropping bombs on them won't accomplish that.

    By the way, you have never seen me question the veracity of anything in The Holy Scriptures.
     
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    No, dropping bombs will kill the bad guys. And I can't feel sorry for people who elect a government sworn to the destruction of another.


    Didn't Israel give up some land recently, in hopes for peace ?

    And how's come nobody ever condemns the daily missile attacks on Israel ? How can you have a two state solution with someone who wants you dead ? It can't happen.
     
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    Yes I have. You deny the rapture. But let's not go down that road, here. I asked an O/T question that I consider answered.
     
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    That's why I expect what has happened during the past 41.5 years to continue on and on and on...
     
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    I do not the deny the rapture. I disagree with folks such as dispensationalists as to what happens after it occurs. I have never denied that the dead in Christ and those Christians alive at Christ's second coming will rise to meet the Lord in the air.
     
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    Then you must agree with me that there will be no peace in the mideast until Israel turns to Christ, and he himself, with his faithful army personally establishes his reign ?
     
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