A Video Portrait Of Barack Hussein Obama

So what were you saying? Who were you referring to, if not Mr. Obama?

 

Since "Hussein" is a prominent name in Shiite muslim, it should be brought out in the open.

 

I am not sure I follow you. If I was born with the middle name "Fritz" and "Fritz" also was a prominent name in some ominous religious cult, wouldn't the appropriate response be to investigate whether my words and actions suggest a connection. To not do this, but rather repeatedly refer to my middle name of Fritz, suggests a strategy of ignoring the relevant facts and hoping that the smell of association sticks.

Now other posters have indeed posted statements from Obama. Lets' look at those and stop making a big deal out of a very hazy and ambiguous connection.

 

Since he has stated himself he would stand with them, and we know we cannot serve two masters, he would switch over in a heartbeat. His loyalty is not with Christ.

 

"He would stand with them"? That's pretty vague. Depending on context, you might indeed be right. But your conclusion might not be justified, depending on context. If I am a political candidate speaking in a context where, say, homosexual rights activists are being beaten up, I could quite legitimately assert that "I will stand with you" and intend it to be understood as "I will defend you against against this treatment" and not "I agree with your agenda".

So I think more detail is needed.

 

I agree that we should look at his actual background including what he's said and done in order to forecast what he'd most likely do if he were elected. I personally don't believe that Obama is a Muslim and don't think there are any solid facts to support that allegation. His middle name certainly doesn't prove it!

Regardless, I believe all information is subject to discovery and evaluation including his family origin, his personal relationships, his religious affilations, and his political record. For the same reason I don't see anything wrong with questioning the reason for his Muslim middle name. If it can be answered satisfactorily then there's no issue but if it has to be hidden or protected in order for him to be viewed fairly then I'd suspect he's standing on some shakey ground.

I'm very concerned with the many things Obama has said and done in his political life as well as those of the close company he's kept. I'm concerned his "theology" is, indeed, the black liberation "theology" - a man-centered "gospel" - that was and is preached at his church. I suspect it's more of a political application and use of religious belief than it is a Christ-centered gospel of truth and salvation. It's about using the church to accomplish "good things" for "blacks" or for the "poor" or some other group of mankind. For this reason I think his administrative policies, legislative approvals and disapprovals, and appointments would follow accordingly.

 

From Audacity of Hope page 261...

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Sounds awfully like the "enlightened liberals" of Europe who want the takeover of Europe by the muslim illegal immigrants.

On May 9th it was reported that in Lebanon the army declared it would not interfere and remain neutral while radical hamas is running rampant through the streets taking Lebanon by force. How can a government's army stand by "neutral" while terrorists seize power? I believe Obama would not hesitate for a single minute to do the same, and that his statement may even be a veiled affirmation of such an agenda. God help our nation if he gets in!

 

Could it possibly be,,,, the person I was quoting!

 

His words and actions do suggest a connection.

 

Exactly!

Absoutely. Theres so much more to him then meets the eye, and it's terrifying that he might be the president one day.

 

How about something specific that suggests a connection to values of Islam that differ from those of Christianity. I am not talking abortion or homosexual rights as these are against the tenets of Islam.

What specific statements and actions of Mr. Obama can support a connection to values of Islam that are not also values of Christianity?

 

10-page warning. This thread will be closed no sooner than 10:15 p.m. ET by one of the moderators. LE

 

How about him pledging support of muslims.

 

This needs to be more specific. There are situations where a pledge of support is entirely proper and appropriate and there are situations where it is worrying.

It would be proper for Mr. Obama to pledge support to Muslims if Muslims are being beaten up in the streets. Or to support Muslims who are being oppressed in the Middle East.

It would be worrisome, for Christians like you and me, if Mr. Obama pledged support to participate in the evangelization of people to Islam.

All I am seeing thus far is really vapor and speculation. Can someone not give us something concrete to support the "demonization" of Mr. Obama?

 

Look at Lebanon.

Hello, USA.

 

It isn't muslims being oppressed in the middle east, it's christians.
Didn't I already post links to prove this.

http://www.christianpersecution.info/middleeast-archive.php

 

Been reading the Enquirer lately? This story must have been next to "Elvis returns in a UFO".

 

Okay, I'll take a stab at what I think is wrong with Obama's faith. I'll use his own platform statements on faith for a few of his points and give my commetns after each:

Obama said: "God is constantly present in our lives, and this presence is a source of hope. 'Hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the audacity of hope: In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation, a belief in things not seen, a belief that there are better days ahead.' – Democratic National Convention Keynote Address."
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I say: Wrong, God's greatest gift to us is salvation by grace through Jesus Christ. Let's call it what it is or not at all!

Obama said: "Progressives should boldly approach matters of faith and values. 'If we truly hope to speak to people where they're at - to communicate our hopes and values in a way that's relevant to their own - then as progressives, we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse…Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another ... others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.' – Call to Renewal Keynote Address"

'Our failure as progressives to tap into the moral underpinnings of the nation is not just rhetorical, though. Our fear of getting 'preachy' may also lead us to discount the role that values and culture play in addressing some of our most urgent social problems.' - The Audacity of Hope."
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I say: This is an attempt to normalize the Christian, Muslin, Jew, and, no doubt, the others not mentioned into one "religious" body. It attempts to transfer the basis of our nation's values to a common moral understanding rather than the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible. It reduces belief to man's understanding rather than God's law.

Obama said: "As Joshua built on the work of Moses, leaders of today – the 'Joshua Generation' – must build of the foundation of previous generations to move our nation forward. 'The final thing that I think the Moses generation teaches us is to remind ourselves that we do what we do because God is with us. You know, when Moses was first called to lead people out of the Promised Land…the Lord said I will be with you. Throw down that rod. Pick it back up. I'll show you what to do. The same thing happened with the Joshua generation. Joshua said, you know, I'm scared. I'm not sure that I am up to the challenge. The Lord said to him, every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon, I have given you. Be strong and have courage, for I am with you wherever you go. Be strong and have courage. It's a prayer for a journey. A prayer that kept a woman in her seat when the bus driver told her to get up, a prayer that led nine children through the doors of that Little Rock school, a prayer that carried our brothers and sisters over a bridge right here in Selma, Alabama. Be strong and have courage.' -Address to Brown Chapel A.M.E. Church, Selma, Alabama, on the Anniversary of Bloody Sunday."
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I say: This is straight out of the black liberation "theology" play book. It uses religion to play up civil rights events - past, present, and future - for the purpose of enlisting political support. It's strength rests in being able to continue the "victim" status of its followers such they will depend upon its "church" for its help. It's focus is upon its earthly leaders.

Obama said: "The separation of church and state is critical and has caused our democracy and religious practices to thrive. “Conservative leaders need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland ... It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religion, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith…” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address"
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I say: So what's being proposed hereby that we don't already have other than to silence the "conservative leaders"? We've had a system of federal government from the very beginning that keep the government out of the church by not permitting it to establish or support a national church. That's been extended to the state and local governments as well. But the "separation of church and state" doctrine has, in more recent times, been extended to something far more perverse and hurtful. Now people believe there can not even be a mention of God in the public sector - even at work much less in government - and so this being raised as an "issue" now foretells of a desire to further the division or should we just say exclusion of Christianity for society.

Obama said: "We are a nation of many faiths and of those with no faith at all. The religious practices of all must be respected. 'Given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.' - Call to Renewal Keynote Address"
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I say: This nation has a history of respecting the religious choices and practices of all. We're tolerant of others. However, how can Christians be comforted to know that what was once a nation predominately influenced by Christian beliefs through its citizens is now to be a blended nation of many beliefs. Can Christians rest knowing that Islam will have no tolerance for it? Does this imply law is needed to force the issue? No, it does not for the very reasons it was forbidden. But, the nation should not invite its own damnation by encouraging the spread of non-Christian religions through an assortment of government sponsored "diversity" programs including our own local educational system. The answer is leaders that aren't afraid to be Christians - followers of Christ - not just believers in God - one that can be god to any religion. Such men will carry out their duties with God's wisdom behind them and will act with true justice towards all. They will do the best job of preserving the liberty we enjoy for our worship without giving away our nation's blessings from the one true God. Which Christians think God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit did not bless this nation by its founding and that we do not risk loosing it if the majority focus does not remain towards Him?

Obama said: "Faith is a source of action for justice. 'Imagine Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address without reference to 'the judgments of the Lord.' Or King's I Have a Dream speech without references to 'all of God's children.' Their summoning of a higher truth helped inspire what had seemed impossible, and move the nation to embrace a common destiny.' – Call to Renewal Keynote Address"

'We should never forget that God granted us the power to reason so that we would do His work here on Earth - so that we would use science to cure disease, and heal the sick, and save lives.' – World AIDS Day Speech: Race Against Time"

'Pastors, friends of mine like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes, are wielding their enormous influences to confront AIDS, Third World debt relief, and the genocide in Darfur. Religious thinkers and activists like our good friend Jim Wallis and Tony Campolo are lifting up the Biblical injunction to help the poor as a means of mobilizing Christians against budget cuts to social programs and growing inequality…Across the country, individual churches like my own and your own are sponsoring day care programs, building senior centers, helping ex-offenders reclaim their lives, and rebuilding our gulf coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.' – Call to Renewal Keynote Address"
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I say: The is more of the black liberation "theology" that focuses completely on a man-centered gospel the purpose of which is to bring about action for justice among men, cure for disease - especially politically correct disease, solve poverty, etc. and mostly under the banner of civil rights. No mention whatsoever is made of the central theme of the true gospel - the one that reconciles sinful man with a righteous God through the undeserved grace of Jesus Christ.

 

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LE, you have a source for these statements? I keep hearing he said them but can't find proof from a reliable non-biased source.