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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Frogman, Apr 24, 2003.

  1. DanielFive

    DanielFive New Member

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    Bro Dallas,

    Thanks for the link to the 'Sovereignty of God', much appreciated.

    Thanks also for your first post on the paragraph I quoted. I look forward to hearing what you think about the Job verse and the reference to Jesus in the synagogue.

    Don't feel you have to get straight back to me, look at it again when you have time.

    Thanks again,

    Enda
     
  2. Frogman

    Frogman <img src="http://www.churches.net/churches/fubc/Fr

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    Following are the comments of John Gill, Adam Clarke, and Matthew Henry:

    and despises not any; not the meanest of his creatures, clothing the grass of the field, feeding the fowls of the air, and preserving man and beast; and particularly he despises not any of the sons of men: not the mighty through fear of them, nor envy at them, whose power and grandeur are from him, which he gives and can take away at his pleasure; nor the mean and miserable the poor and the afflicted, to whom he has a merciful regard; much less the innocent and harmless, as the Septuagint; or the just and righteous man, as the Targum: he does not despise his own people, whom he has loved and chosen, redeemed and called; nor any, as Aben Ezra observes, without a cause; for though there are some whose image he will despise, it is because of their own sins and transgressions; and since, therefore, though he is mighty, yet despises not any of his creatures, he cannot do any unrighteous thing; he does not and cannot use or abuse his power to the in jury of any of his creatures;

    Gill on Job 36.5 “and despises not any”

    Job 36:5 -
    God is mighty and despiseth not any - He reproaches no man for his want of knowledge. If any man lack wisdom, he may come to God, who giveth liberally, and upbraideth not. I prefer this to the passive sense, will not be despised.
    Adam Clarke

    Job 36:6 - He preserveth not the life of the wicked,.... He makes a difference between wicked and righteous men, which shows him to be a holy and righteous God; though he preserves the life of all men so long as they live, yet not in the same way; he preserves the lives of wicked men in the common course of his providence, but not in a special way and manner, as he does the lives of the righteous, which are dear and precious to him; nor does he preserve to any great length such as are notorious sinners, who are guilty of capital crimes, as murder, &c. their lives are shortened, and they do not live out half their days: or he does not quicken them, bestow his spiritual favour upon them, in which only is life; and though they will be quickened and raised at the last day, as well as the righteous, yet not to the resurrection of life, but to the resurrection of damnation;
    Gill

    Job 36:6 -
    He preserveth not the life - He will not give life to the wicked; all such forfeit life by their transgressions.
    But giveth right - Justice will he give to the afflicted or humble, עניים aniyim.
    Adam Clarke

    Job 36:5-14

    Elihu here shows that God acts as righteous Governor. He is always ready to defend those that are injured. If our eye is ever toward God in duty, his eye will be ever upon us in mercy, and, when we are at the lowest, will not overlook us. God intends, when he afflicts us, to discover past sins to us, and to bring them to our remembrance. Also, to dispose our hearts to be taught: affliction makes people willing to learn, through the grace of God working with and by it. And further, to deter us from sinning for the future. It is a command, to have no more to do with sin. If we faithfully serve God, we have the promise of the life that now is, and the comforts of it, as far as is for God's glory and our good: and who would desire them any further? We have the possession of inward pleasures, the great peace which those have that love God's law. If the affliction fail in its work, let men expect the furnace to be heated till they are consumed. Those that die without knowledge, die without grace, and are undone for ever. See the nature of hypocrisy; it lies in the heart: that is for the world and the flesh, while perhaps the outside seems to be for God and religion. Whether sinners die in youth, or live long to heap up wrath, their case is dreadful. The souls of the wicked live after death, but it is in everlasting misery.

    Matthew Henry


    I still am considering the scripture. Strong's says the following of ' despiseth :

    H3988
    מאס
    mâ'as
    maw-as'
    A primitive root; to spurn; also (intransitively) to disappear: - abhor, cast away (off), contemn, despise, disdain, (become) loathe (-some), melt away, refuse, reject, reprobate, X utterly, vile person.

    Strong

    Obviously God does not despise these; so then we may say rightly that it is the nature that is being considered and not the person, thus it is man who despises God. To say this settles the question would not be true, but a scriptural cross reference of despiseth will IMHO bear out the truthfulness of the statement that while God does not despise His creation His creation does not return the sentiments.

    Note what Matthew Henry has said:

    (italics mine)
    See the nature of hypocrisy; it lies in the heart: that is for the world and the flesh, while perhaps the outside seems to be for God and religion. Whether sinners die in youth, or live long to heap up wrath, their case is dreadful.

    Here lays the difference, God is not hypocritical but man is. Whether this is satisfactory or not let me know and we will work through the scripture concerning despiseth and see how the idea works.

    I would also submit for consideration that despiseth does not carry with it the meaning of 'hate' as we use it. What are your thoughts?

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas
     
  3. Frogman

    Frogman <img src="http://www.churches.net/churches/fubc/Fr

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    Here is an interesting portion of Scripture which certainly does not stand against Mr. Pink. What do you think?

    Bro. Dallas

     
  4. DanielFive

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    Bro Dallas,

    Thanks for your posts, I am giving them some thought before I respond. Hope you don't mind, I havn't got much time tonight, I had to answer a post on another thread.

    I'll get back to you here tomorrow afternoon, God willing.

    Thanks again,

    Enda
     
  5. Frogman

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    I understand. When ever you get the opportunity is ok with me.

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
  6. BobRyan

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    As for the opening post.

    "Why sure I COULD have done SOMETHING - if I had CARED to".

    Ring a bell? See the opening post as the "poster child" for that scenario.

    In the mean time - God's Word.

    "God so Loved the WORLD"

    "I wil draw ALL mankind" - just as ALL sinned so ALL are drawn.

    God sent His Son to be "The Savior of the FEW of Matt 7" - oops, I mean "The Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  7. Frogman

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    I am pretty ignorant, but I can't follow your post any at all. What is the "poster" child and that following scenario?

    As for the "Word of God" do you mean to say this is what John 12.32 says? If so, then you are stepping farther from the Word than any I have heard.
    Sorry for my ignorance [​IMG] but if you could explain the 'poster' child thing you seem to be having trouble with, perhaps I would understand your posts more better. :D

    God Bless.
    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]

    [edited to correct perceived misperception]
     
  8. DanielFive

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    Brother Dallas,

    Firstly, I want to apologise for not getting round to this reply much sooner. I'm a mature student and am doing exams at the minute, I'm really busy but this is a poor excuse I know.

    I have been thinking about what we were talking about. (hope you can remember)

    We were talking about how God HATES sinners (AW PINK) yet DESPISES not any (Job 36:5).

    I think I can now agree with you on this. I was thinking about John 16:27 :

    For the Father himself loveth you, because you have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. (italics mine)

    Obviously this at least suggests that Father does not love those who do not believe. I am thinking that the only reason Father loves us is because of the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit in our hearts, which results in our belief and our loving Christ.

    God despiseth not any, this is proved by the fact that all men are given some measure of common grace.

    Are we in agreement?

    God Bless

    Enda
     
  9. Frogman

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    That is ok Bro. Enda, my semester ended May 09, so I know something of your schedule.

    I would say that we are in agreement.

    Thanks for the discussions.

    God Bless

    Bro. Dallas Eaton [​IMG]
     
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