Featured Abbreviated Word Study G2749, “keimai”

Any yet again, we have a wholesale effort to change the subject from word study. And this from those who do not do word studies.

The #2 comment is a joke, many modern translations give lip service to the goal of transparency.

The #5 comment is absurd, since Greek words are translated willy nilly into many English words, in the digital age, word searches are based on the lexiconal word and CK or Strong's number. And the last sentence, actually advocates word study!

 

1) Ad hominem argument, a logical fallacy

2) Factually false and bogus charge, to translate contextually and concordantly is the opposite of making willy nilly translation choices.

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4) The "fewest English words" or phrases possible to translate the range of meanings of a Greek word is a goal of translation. Thus, in this word study, the meaning of being seated to judge was translated in as few phrases as possible given the context, i.e. (1) seat, (2) seated themselves, (3) seated himself, and (4) seated myself.

 

I used the term from the above characterization. This is consistent with Strongs and Thayers. Others sources use "figuratively" Can you provide a source that says the meaning is not metaphoric or figurative or literal but idomatic?

 

Thanks for the link but I did not see where the essay addressed the question. Here is another source, the third:
Metaphor is "a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable," while idiom is "a group of words established by usage as having a meaning not deducible from those of the individual words." (New Oxford English Dictionary)

Thus my usage was spot on, as were Strong's and Thayer's.

 

This issue was not the meaning of "idiom" the issue was the meaning of metaphoric word usage. I supported my statement, used metaphorically, rather than used "idiomatically" from three separate sources.

Did JOJ say Strong's was wrong? Nope. Did JOJ say Thayer's was wrong? Nope. Did JOJ say the New Oxford Dictionary was wrong about metaphoic? Nope.

 

Here we have a word that literally means to lie down, or to lay something down, to set down something or to put something somewhere. However, metaphorically, it refers to God placing someone or something somewhere for His purpose, and so can be properly translated as something being destined or put there to be the cause of something according to God’s purpose.

Lets look at a few of its usages in scripture, ones that seem to use the word metaphorically.

Luke 2:34, And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary His mother, “Behold, this Child is appointed for the fall and rise of many in Israel, and for a sign to be opposed—

Here the literal meaning “put here” to be the cause of many… captures what is literally and metaphorically being said.

Philippians 1:16, the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel;

Other versions say “put here” and that more literal rendering best captures the idea.

1 Thessalonians 3:3, so that no one would be disturbed by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we have been destined for this.

Again, the rendering “put here” seems spot on.

1 Timothy 1:9, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the )ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and )profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Here, I see no need to pull off the literal meaning, i.e. law is not “put here” for a ….

Revelation 4:2, Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne.

The word does not mean “standing” but does include being set somewhere, so a throne put there in heaven seems to hit the mark. For example a throne laid down in heaven might suggest erroneously it was tipped over.

Bottom line, of the 5 metaphorical usages, “put here” or “put there” better presents the literal and metaphoric meaning of the word.

 

Oh look, there is a rock at the bottom of the babbling brook. Bottom line, of the 5 metaphorical usages, “put here” or “put there” better presents both the literal and metaphorical meaning of the word. The various non-literal renderings are not germane to the discussion.

Words have meanings and those meanings should be translated with fidelity and concordance.

 

Bottom line, of the 5 metaphorical usages, “put here” or “put there” better presents both the literal and metaphorical meaning of the word. The various non-literal renderings are not germane to the discussion.

Words have meanings and those meanings should be translated with fidelity and concordance.