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Abortion and the Passion

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Emily, Mar 27, 2004.

  1. Emily

    Emily New Member

    Dec 15, 2003
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    I am not a big fan of the movie the Passion. While I definately believe that it gives us all a chance to teach about Jesus, I do believe that it is being advertised incorrectly. I do believe it is not "incredibly accurate" etc..


    I have heard from IFB'ers over and over and over and over about how they dont need to see the movie to know that Jesus died for them.
    They have "the book" and they dont need to see the graphic picture of this, and it was never meant to be seen.

    to add to that

    I have heard of testimonies where when seeing this movie, these people were very convicted about their lives and etc, and they claim that they needed to see it.

    This is where abortion comes in.

    I have seen IFB'ers picket womens clinics with huge pictures of aborted fetus's.. What they are doing, is forcing the women to look at what they are really doing. I have heard pro-choice people say that they are disgusted with this. "its inaccurate." "We dont need to see those pictures".. etc..

    I couldnt help but notice the parallels.

    I believe that this culture has gotten so far away from God. Everyone knows the "nice little story where Jesus died for our sins so that we could go to heaven.. blah blah blah"

    Well, I think, whether you like Mel Gibson or you hate him, he has gotten people talking about the cross, and he has gotten people to actually look and see what the "nice little story about the cross" actually is.

    Its not a nice little story at all, and perhaps for some people who learn best with a visual, God will use this movie to convict them..

    I dont condemn Mel for making this movie.
  2. Doubting Thomas

    Doubting Thomas Active Member

    Jan 22, 2003
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  3. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    Well said Emily.

  4. music4Him

    music4Him New Member

    Feb 7, 2004
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    I totally agree with you on that aspect of the Passion movie. [​IMG]
    I hope it will put a fire under the preachers that preach about Jesus and the cross and the truth of what He accually did on the cross. I have heard too mant times preachers preaching the watered down "nice little story" version. Its time the church wakes up.

    I bet this Easter for some churches will be really exciting for those who have seen the Passion movie? :eek:
  5. Yelsew2

    Yelsew2 New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
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    The Christ's PASSION, THE ATONEMENT for ALL sins in ALL times, includes the sins of those who put him on the Cross the same as the sins of those who abort babies and who perform the abortions.

    ALL SINS in ALL TIMES have been atoned for though the Christ's Passion! The movie depicts the unjust agony suffered by the Savior of Mankind who took upon himself the sins of all the world, so that mankind are no longer subject to the penalty for sin, even the sin of Abortion.

    It is now possible for man to have everlasting life that Jesus promises in John 3:16. All men must die from the flesh, but that is not the final death. And the final Death (Rev 20:14.15) no longer awaits those who do believe on the son of God, (John 3:16-18), and RETAIN that faith through the first death. But for those who do not have faith in God, God the son, when they die from the flesh, condemn themselves (John 3:18) to the second death which is final death of human spirit!

    Your sins are atoned for already, so Go and sin no more!

    For those who have had abortions, teach them what the atonement of the Christ has already done for their sin! Teach them to believe in Jesus, and have faith in God throughout the rest of their lives, and their sin of Abortion is not charged against them, because the penalty has been paid!
  6. KimS

    KimS New Member

    Feb 17, 2004
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    Great post Emily.

    Honestly, the only reason I haven't seen the movie is because I'm not sure I can handle seeing. Although, I would like to go.

    The local news interviewed people coming out of the theater after viewing it. Almost all were in tears and saying that already they'd read what he went through, it didn't hit them as deeply as seeing it did.

    It is the same as abortion. I would never had one, but I was actually pro-choice a few years ago. But I saw something on PBS (I think that's where it was) that showed how abortions were performed seeing that completely changed my mind.

  7. Hischild

    Hischild New Member

    Apr 11, 2004
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    One in three women will have an abortion before her 45th birthday.
    The overwhelming majority will have the abortion out of convenience.

    In the summer 1991 I was 26 years old.
    I was unmarried and pregnant.
    I went to the largest abortion clinic in America.
    I had not firmly decided on abortion. I honestly felt that abortion was a woman's choice. I had driven several friends to abortion appointments. I thought I was doing a good thing.

    I was divorced.
    I had three children.
    I had no money.
    I had a habit of naming my children before they were born. Without an ultrasound I always got the gender correct.
    At the clinic I told them I wasn't sure what to do about "Andrew."
    Who's Andrew was the response.
    I told them Andrew was what I named the baby.
    I was told that I should not name the baby because it could impair clear thinking about the decision I had to make.

    I decided that I would talk to the baby's father, even though he had walked out on me.
    The clinic advised against talking to him because it should be my decision. Afterall, it was my body.

    Less than 72 hours later I walked back into the clinic.
    I was drunk from the night before and could not even fake being sober.
    I was led to a dark room with a small cot so I could sober up and sleep it off.
    I lay there for an hour not being able to stop crying.
    Since I did not fall asleep, it was assumed that I was sober enough for the "procedure" to begin.

    The nurse came to get me and saw the tear stains.
    She asked what was wrong.
    I told her that I was having second thoughts.
    She held me and hugged me in a motherly way. I thought she really cared about me.
    She told me that the amount of drinking I had done the night before had already pretty much killed the fetus- or at least had done enough damage to keep it from having a normal life.

    She then led me down the hall to the room where they would perform the abortion.
    Due to the remainder of the alcohol in my system and the 3 vicodens I had been given, my body was numb.
    I somehow got on the table.
    I started to cry again.
    The doctor was there by this time.
    So was her assistant.
    The motherly woman had left.
    The assistant asked me what was wrong and I told her that I was hurting.
    She looked at my chart and gave me another vicoden. I told her that I was not in physical pain, just my heart was breaking and I didn't think I should do this. She took the vicoden back and gave me a valium.

    The doctor and the assitant left and the motherly woman came back in. They wanted to give me time to calm down. I told the woman that I had changed my mind. She informed me that I now had so much drugs in my system that I wasn't thinking clearly about myself or my other 3 children.

    I listened to her.
    The doctor and assitant came back in.
    As they were performing the abortion, they told me how thankful I should be that women like me had fought for this right for so many years.
    I sure was lucky to live in a country where I had a choice.
    I sure was lucky to live in a time where I had a choice.

    I closed my eyes and prayed if there was a God that He'd forgive me for what I was doing.

    Last January Andrew would have turned 12 years old.

    Recovery was a long painful period which included much drinking and a few attempts to end my life.

    God is good and I found out that He is real. I also found out that He did forgive me. I now provide one-on-one counseling to women who are post-abortive. Their stories are filled with pain. Many of them don't realize that Jesus went to the cross for all sins, even the sin of abortion. Many of these women live a life where no one would ever guess they've had pain. They cover it well with "band-aides" because abortion is a choice that we should be thankful to have. Instead it brings much pain.

    Anyone who really loves women, would not support abortion in any way. It only brings pain and destruction to the unborn and their parents.

    How blessed we are to have a Saviour who forgives sins and eases burdens.
  8. Jude

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    Jan 11, 2001
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    Andrew is beside Jesus now. And one day, you and he will hug and never-ever say good-bye. That's what the Bible calls GRACE.
  9. BobRyan

    BobRyan Active Member

    Aug 27, 2002
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    Non Baptist Christian
    Good points Emily.

  10. Hischild

    Hischild New Member

    Apr 11, 2004
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    I firmly believe that!
    I tell women that their babes are now in Heaven and one day they can be reunited with them.
  11. Living4Him

    Living4Him New Member

    Mar 15, 2004
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    Bless you Hischild for having the courage to share your story. Your post brought tears to my eyes. May God give you the Grace to forgive yourself as well.

    God of all consolation,
    in your unending love and mercy for us,
    you turn the darkness into the dawn of new life.
    Show compassion to your people in sorrow.
    Be our refuge and our strength to lift us
    from the darkness of this grief
    to peace and joy in your presence.
    We ask this through Christ, our Lord.