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Abortion as "Art"

Discussion in '2008 Archive' started by Don, Apr 18, 2008.

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  1. The Scribe

    The Scribe New Member

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    That's messed up. That's not art either.

    The money to send her to college was wasted.
     
  2. Don

    Don Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention, your tax dollars that the institution uses to allow her the "academic freedom" to do such things....
     
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    I am without words.:praying:
     
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    Considering the source and details by suspicion is hoax.


    And that is sad enough
     
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    The Profit of Legal Murder

    Funny you should mention "Tax Dollars". Every one here should read this. If you read nothing else the rest of the day you need to read this.:tear:
     
  6. Walguy

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    I'm assuming this is a hoax in the absence of conclusive proof to the contrary. But since a crucifix stuck in a vat of urine and a statue of Mary covered in dung were defended as art, would this really be that big a stretch if it were true? :(
     
  7. Revmitchell

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    Yale Story Here


    Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.

    The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts' project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock . saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.
     
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    This is sick and evil.......

    Is there no end to the depths a person can go who has no fear of God?
     
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    My mind cannot grasp the evil -- or the insanity -- it would require for a woman to do this.
     
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    I read about it on Foxnews last night...

    Disgusting!
     
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    "hoax" would be incorrect since she insists she did it even though such activity is being queistioned as to its legitimacy.
     
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  13. Don

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    She tells the Yale officials that it never actually happened; but also tells them that if they tell everyone it was a hoax, she'll say they're only saying that to protect Yale.

    Suffice to say: Everyone missed the "point" of her art project. Wonder how that makes her feel.
     
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    Where did you find that?
     
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    From the article I linked.
     
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    I sure hope it is a hoax.
     
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    Whether true or not, how sick and how sad that a person would even come up with this concept.
     
  18. Revmitchell

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    "The Yale Daily News stands by its original as well as its subsequent reporting," wrote editor in chief Andrew Mangino in an e-mail to FOXNews.com.

    He said there had always been uncertainty as to whether or not Shvarts had managed to get herself pregnant and induce actual miscarriages.

    "From the beginning, there was ambiguity as to whether or not Aliza Shvarts had successfully impregnated herself — the original story points out that she did not take a pregnancy test and refused to provide some key details of her self-insemination," he said. "But the fact remains that she might have been pregnant on multiple occasions."

    The art major told the paper that Yale misrepresented her explanation of her work to school officials, according to Mangino.

    "Although an official Yale statement suggested, though did not outright state, that her project essentially amounted to a hoax, Ms. Shvarts told the News on Thursday that this very statement was misleading and an inaccurate representation of what she had told school officials earlier in the day," Mangino said.

    "This story, on one level, therefore amounts to a he-said-she-said with ambiguous language being employed by all parties."

    But the editor said the paper's coverage by a team of four reporters and five editors "indicates that Aliza's project is not a hoax."

    Yale officials didn't respond to requests for a reaction to Shvarts' column, but did confirm their comments in Friday's Daily News article were accurate.

    Before the university contended that Shvarts did not actually perform the acts, the story about the project sparked widespread disgust and outrage, with critics characterizing the young woman as sick, depraved, unethical and attention-seeking. Advocates on both sides of the abortion-rights debate condemned the exhibit.

    In standing by her work, Shvarts on Friday provided further details, saying she is the only one who knows how many sperm donors — whom she calls "fabricators" — she used and which herbal drugs she took to induce the possible "miscarriages."

    "To protect myself and others, only I know the number of fabricators who participated, the frequency and accuracy with which I inseminated and the specific abortifacient I used," the college senior wrote in her Daily News column. "Because of these measures of privacy, the piece exists only in its telling."

    Yale issued its statement several hours after the campus paper first published the story on Thursday, suggesting that university officials had taken the young woman's claims seriously enough to launch a full-scale investigation and question her directly.

    "Her art project includes visual representations," said Klasky. "[Schvarts] stated to three senior Yale University officials today, including two deans, that she did not impregnate herself and that she did not induce any miscarriages. ... Had these acts been real they would have violated basic ethical standards and raised serious mental and physical health concerns."

    Whether it's real or fake, the exhibit — which Shvarts has described as a large cube suspended from the ceiling and wrapped in layers of plastic that are smeared with blood samples from the purported miscarriages mixed with Vaseline — is slated to be unveiled next week.





    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351730,00.html
     
  19. Don

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    I highly suggest, as "performance art," that anyone who is able, attend the unveiling and at the crucial moment - turn their back to it. Just stand there for sixty seconds, then walk away.

    It would be fantastic to see how many people would do it. It wouldn't be a demonstration, mind you: it's performance art, seeking to elicit a conversation on the impact of art upon societal norms.

    If only I could be there myself....
     
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