Abortion

I would vote "Abortion is never acceptable," but I do not think that abortion is necessarily wrong if required to save the life of the mother.

I think of ectopic pregnancies as one particular example. If you believe that life begins at conception (as I do), then saving a woman from an ectopic pregnancy requires an abortion.

I do not believe in abortion in cases of rape or incest.

 

Abortion is never acceptable

Life begins at conception.
I remember in my freshman biology class in college, when the atheist professor compared living things with non-living things that I was sitting there comparing living things with a fetus

Guess what.... a fetus has all the scientific characteristics of a "living thing"

So even in the atheistic scientific community, their definitions of life can be applied to the unborn.

Here is the characteristics according to wiki... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, sweating to reduce temperature.

The unborn baby regulates his/her body temperature apart from the mother.

1. Organization: Being composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.

They have cells that divide, and organize.

1. Metabolism: Consumption of energy by converting nonliving material into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.

They use metabolism to grow.

1. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of synthesis than catalysis. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish.

They Grow.

1. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.

They have this ability.

1. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism when touched to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun or an animal chasing its prey.

They respond to stimuli while still in the womb

1. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Reproduction can be the division of one cell to form two new cells. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth.

They have this ability...as much as a 1 yr old does...

 

In regards to abortion, what would have happened if Elisabeth had somehow aborted her baby? I know that this would not have happened because of the way God does thing, but for the sake of supposing....

When Elisabeth was talking with Mary, the Holy Ghost entered into her body, and John the Baptist, six months in the womb, leaped for joy!! Life begins way before birth. In most cases, nine months before!!

 

Abortion is murder and I'm one of those who hold signs saying so.

God already had a word for the unborn long before the baby-murdering crowd came up with the clinical term "fetus". He refers to the unborn as babes and children (1 Sam 4:19, Luke 2:5, Luke 1:41). Fetus is a term used by baby murderers and their supporters.

I've yet to hear anyone ask a woman when her fetus is due. A baby is only referred to as a "fetus" when someone wants to kill him. God hates the hands that shed innocent blood (Prov 6:16-17).

The most dangerous place to be in America is in a mother's womb!

 

Psalms 139:13. For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb.
14. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.
15. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, {And} skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth;
16. Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained {for me,} When as yet there was not one of them.

Jeremiah 1: 5. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Among so many others.........

 

Time frame as determined by the mother up to the point that the baby is viable apart from the mother. Which thankfully is getting better and better each day.

This is a mute argument in the US, the matter is considered settled law in this country. Abortion is legal and is likely to stay that way.

 

The one notion I have struggled with was when a mother is on the delivery table, and the choice comes down to either your wife or your child survives. Allowing the child to die would techincaly be abortion, but what is allowing your wife to die called? If you could save her, and don't, isn't that considered manslaughter? That's one I would seriously struggle with.

 

manslaughter? That insinuates that the child is less than the mother.

 

I doubt it. And it is a law established on a law suite that was filed under a false premise. And it is very likely to be overturned. As such murderous actions should be.

 

How so? Would you call it "adult abortion"?

 

Legal Precedent should not exempt erroneous decisions from being overturned. For example, it was a Legal Precedent that slavery was legal in the United States. This, to our merit, has been overturned and now slavery is seen as the crime against human dignity that it is. I see no reason to suggest that continued discussion on Abortion to be moot.

Abortion is murder and we are going to reap God's Wraith if we don't start living more Godly lives. :tear:

 

Slavery wasn't overturned. The Constitution was amended.

I really wish we could amend the Constitution to outlaw abortion, but that's probably not going to happen any time soon (or ever).

 

Right there with you on this one.

 

for what it's worth I noticed no one has pointed to the recent, today, decision by the Supreme Court outlawing partial birth abortions.

Regardless of your position on the more concentrated issues I think most everyone here can agree this was a great step forward.