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About Cain

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Mar 13, 2010.

  1. Salty

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    When Cain fought with Able, did he understand the concept of killing and murder? If not, would he be guility of first degree (or possibly second degree) murder ?

    Why did the Lord protect Cain? What was the purpose the "mark" . In Judaism, the mark is not a punishment but a sign of God's mercy. When Cain was sentenced to be a wanderer he did not dispute the punishment but only begged that the terms of his sentence be altered slightly.

    According to The Midrash and the Conflict of Adam and Eve with Satan both record that the real motive involved the desire of women. According to Midrashic tradition, Cain and Abel each had twin sisters, whom they were to marry. The Midrash records that Abel's promised wife was the more beautiful. Cain would not consent to this arrangement. Adam proposed to refer the question to God by means of a sacrifice. God rejected Cain's sacrifice, signifying His disapproval of his marriage with Aclima, and Cain slew his brother in a fit of jealousy.

    From Wikipedia



    Is it possible that Cain did reprent of his sin.
     
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    Yes

    God loves all His children.
     
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    Pink on Cain & Abel:

     
  4. Winman

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    It was first degree murder, there was intent.

    I believe Cain killed Abel out of jealousy, not over women. There is nothing in scripture to support that. It says Cain was angry because Abel's sacrifice was accepted and Cain's was not.

    And although I do not agree with Pink on theology, that is a very good article Kyredneck submitted and the similarities between Abel and Jesus and Cain and the Jews is striking.
     
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    Agree!

    Agree!

    Agree!

    Agree!

    I love Pink. He is 'the master' when it comes to types, similes, analogies, allegories, etc..
     
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    I believe that Cain knew exactly what he was doing. The New Testament calls what Cain did murder.

    1 John 3:11-12
    "This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother's were righteous."


    Also in this passage, we can see what his motives were.
     
  7. Salty

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    I brought this subject up when I was watching the History channel today. The program was on about 11 am or 12 noon (EST) today.

    Some very interesting theories.
     
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    Its getting close to Easter. History Channel is playing anything and everything related to scripture. The one I came across today claimed Christ was a copycat and the "real" messiah was someone who lived just before Christ's birth. :rolleyes:
     
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    I certainly would not use Midrash as a source; it's extra-biblical and although it might be interesting historically and as far as Jewish beliefs go, it might relate theologically, but for Christians it should not have an affect on our theology.

    The Bible tells us what happened and why Cain was angry, and that he killed with intention. God even warned him and gave him an out.

    Why God gave Cain a mark: I'm not sure since the Bible only says that it was for his protection, but clearly God was being merciful to the first murderer. Perhaps God did this because at the time there was no injunction against murder, which came later in Gen. 9.
     
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    I saw a book that claimed Herod the Great was the real messiah and the disciples substituted Jesus for him and fooled the world for almost 2000 years, but his book would set the record straight. :tonofbricks:
     
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    What she said. :thumbs:
     
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    And afterward, God showed mercy to Moses (a murderer), and David (a murderer), and Elijah (a murderer), and Paul, (a murderer).

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Yes, he did show mercy but even so, he did say this in Gen. 9 as part of his covenant with Noah:
     
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    The History Channel will play anything that calls into question the bible.
     
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    Then Gen. 9 must not be an absolute statement; meaning God does not punish every murderer with death.

    It looks like an absolute statment, but it is not. It must be refering to something else... perhaps the practice of the "blood avenger"?

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Blood avenger? I have an inkling of what you might mean, but would you explain?
     
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    It was an ancient near east practice. The near relative of the slain person would avenge his blood. That is why God commanded Israel to have cities of refuge.

    Deut. 19:4 "Now this is the case of the manslayer who may flee there and live; when he kills his friend unintentionally, not hating him previously....(6) lest the avenger of blood pursue the manslayer in the heat of his anger...."

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    It sounds pretty absolute in context:
     
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    Thank you! I just learned something!
     
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    I said that as well. It sounds absolute.

    If a person "sheds the blood" of another person (i.e. kills them), then God will always allow that person to be killed by another man as punishment.

    And yet, God showed mercy throughout history to murderers...Moses, David, Elijah, Paul.... and used them to accomplish His plan of redemption.

    Therefore, the statement from Gen. 9 cannot be an absolute statement. If it is not an absolute statment, it must be something else.

    BTW, this is not speaking of a "death penalty" as is commonly argued. There are no governments at this point, no Mosaic Law, just Noah and his family.

    I believe it is speaking of the ancient near east practice of the "blood avenger".

    peace to you:praying:
     
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