Abu Mazen

Absolutely.

 

I don't know how you posted that map but it is exactly the point and I thank you!

This crisis is an Arab-manufactured crisis. Gaza belonged to Egypt and the Bank belonged to Jordan. The Bank cannot be returned; Israel has decided to pull out of Gaza. Therefore Gaza should be returned to Egypt and the Arabs living in Israel should be encouraged to sell out and move to another part of the vast Arab League, as illustrated by the map that Lady Eagle has posted!

 

Well, it looks like Ken and Joseph have cast their votes for the old Arab land grab scenario. After all, that's how they got most of what they have now - through terrorism tactics.

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That's all I have time to document right now, but discerning readers will see the truth for themselves. This is the Third Jihad.

[ January 16, 2005, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

It's not looking good.....

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Remember, the Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades is the official “armed wing” of the political party whose leader was just elected chairman of the Palestinian Authority. The people who did this belong to Mahmoud Abbas/Abu Mazen’s own political organization.

And ole' Dubya, in his "reaching out" to heal the "wounds" of his first term, just invited him to the White House.

 

They will never change, Joseph. You are either for the Nation of Israel or for the Islamic terrorists of Palestine. You cannot have it both ways. Jerusalem belongs to the nation of Israel. It does not belong to the terrorists of Islamic Palestine. If you are for the Bush Road Map plan, you are against the Nation of Israel. Period.

http://www.conceptwizard.com/imagine/imagine_n.html

http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/1_05/inciting.htm

[ January 16, 2005, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

I think that is incorrect. If I recall correctly only west Jerusalem was given to Israel. East Jerusalem remained with the Arabs when the land was partitioned after World War II.

I am not anti-Israel or pro-terrorist. I am pro-diplomatic solution to the problem between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

I realize that a diplomatic, peaceful solution to the conflict is antithethical to your Christian Zionist program so I understand your angst toward anyone who hopes for a peaceful resolution that benefits both the Israelis and the Palestinians.

There is one thing I will admit to being against...I am anti-Christian Zionism.

 

I am not a Christian Zionist and I wouldn't know what one was if one of them bought me a Krispy Kreme doughnut and a latte coffee.

I look at it from a practical standpoint. From what I read the Gaza is about twice the area of Washington DC or 360 km and has about 1.3 million people with an unemployment rate of 50%.

That's a country? It sounds to me like a city of misery. It stays alive by handouts. I don't think that Israel should have to give handouts to the Arabs and I don't think that US handouts should be the basis of a new nation and I don't think that Europe can afford anymore handouts to a bunch of Arabs in Gaza on a jihad against the world.

Therefore, I think that the solution is the status quo except that the Bank should be transferred to Israel as the Arab towns die out and the Gaza should be transferred back to Egypt if Israel pulls out. There can be no Arab future in Israel in the long run.

 

The West Bank is not a part of Israel and should not be a part of Israel unless that decision is reached through diplomatic efforts.

 

The Bank belongs to Jordan. But look at the flash link from LE. The whole thing is a laugh from the original intentions. The Bank was lost in war. It is even less viable for Arabs than the Gaza, which at least sits on the ocean. Once the walls surround it, it can be choked off into nothing, which is what it should be. I am getting sick of Arab demands and threats to cut off oil. Arabs cannot make a go of it in Israel without foreign aid. They can hardly make a go of it in the other parts of the Arab League. It's time to let Algeria be Algeria--in other words let them have their civil wars.

 

We have to deal with what is realistic, cmg. You may not know about it but Christian Zionism is a very dangerous movement that has infected certain areas among evangelical Christians. Christian Zionism has no desire to see the Israelis and the Palestinians reconciled. I hope you are not allowing yourself to be unknowingly influenced by their teachings.

Fortunately, the Word of God is a quite potent antibiotic to defeat Christian Zionism.

 

Well, Ken, you keep talking about this theology that needs to be defeated. But you do not mention how the Gaza can become a great country or how a bunch of squatters on the Bank are really citizens of some great nation that has never existed before. We have history to guide us. We know how they got there. Oil threats or no, it is not our problem. The West cannot afford to support the Arabs in Gaza and the Bank. And they cannot make a living by themselves in that tiny place. Time to move on.

 

We cannot turn our backs on the Israeli-Palestinian problem. These United States need to play the part of the honest broker to, hopefully, bring peace to both the Israelis and the Palestinians.

 

It is not our problem. Now who is the Christian-Zionist?

 

"Christian Zionists see themselves as defenders of the Jewish people and in particular the State of Israel. They support Israel’s policies whether right or wrong. This support involves opposing those who are critical or hostile toward Israel. Consequently, most of them have little or no sympathy toward the Palestinians and are against any peaceful solution that may result in Palestinian statehood."

- www.hcef.org/hcef/index.cfm/ID/53

 

I think a lot of what you link is beside the point. It ignores the history of how the current situation came about. It asks the West to ratify the Arab position willy nilly. But I especially object to the statement by your author:

Palestinians are not enemies of God

Let us remember that the Palestinian Arab people are not idolaters. They worship the God of Abraham. The moral standards of the Palestinians in general put most Americans to shame. What is happening to the Palestinians today certainly is not a judgment from God, but a result of political greed and man’s inhumanity to man.

I do not know what he means when he says that Palestinians worship the God of Abraham. I think this is the old lie that Allah and Jesus are the same. The Palestinians have engaged in terrorism and they do not put Americans to shame on any point.

 

You asked for a definition of Christian Zionism. So let's stick to that. I think we both agree that those who worship according to the tenets of Judaism and Islam will go to Hell.

 

Ken is not interested in the flash link, the real history of the region, or anything that proves his position is the wrong one. We've been down this road before.

In fact, if you challenge the left-thinking pro-Palestinian cause embracers, they can give no good realistic or practical reason (that makes sense to reasonable people, anyway), why terrorists should be rewarded with a Palestinian state. And you are right, CMG, they've lived off of handouts for a couple of generations now.

Here are some more FACTS that the left (those who support the Palestinian Islamofascist cause) refuse to acknowledge:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16351


Of course, no matter how much is posted, some people are so biased in favor of giving into terrorists by rewarding them with their own state, that it defies logic. In fact, CMG, if people would research this whole issue by the facts of history (instead of throwing in straw men about Zionism and dispensationalism and raptures and things), they would see how ridiculous their position is.

 

www.merip.org/palestine-israel_primer/toc-pal-isr-primer.html