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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by JonC, Mar 29, 2020.

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    Apocalypse Now is considered by many (myself included) to be one of the most (if not the most) accurate portrayals of the Vietnam War and of war in general when it comes to media representation.

    BUT Apocalypse Now is not historically accurate, was never intended to be historically accurate, is often very much unrealistic, and none of the events in the movie are based on actual happenings.

    What is the tendency of the Western mindset as a whole to accept that things are communicated in less superficial ways than a mere presentation of facts?

    Are ideas communicated under the surface, perhaps less tangible ideas, less valid than factual correspondence?

    Does one's understanding of such types of communication come into play when it comes to spiritual understanding and Scripture?
     
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    Gee you are such a LIBERAL! :p

    Are you suggesting that OT biblical narratives are communicating more than a factual history of the Hebrew people?

    ...That each of the Gospels were written to communicate a message particular to the human author?

    Rob
     
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    If I've learned anything from my time here it is not to suggest anything :Laugh .

    I was thinking about a conversation where someone tried to present the gospel in a few sentences as a concise presentation of facts.

    I tend to favor impressionism as this seems to communicate much more than the mere words convey. In art I believe Claude Monet offers more than a photograph of a similar scene could ever attempt. I like expressionism in poetry for the same reasons. I prefer Debussy and Ravel to the more technically "accurate" Classical music.

    I've considered how Christian music is often torn apart with theological claws (I've done this myself) and analyzed from a factual basis. IMHO the error of this is apparent if one only reads the Psalms. But that's another topic.

    I just wonder how much truth we miss when we rely on human reasoning under the guise it is not human reasoning because the facts are contrary to the natural order of things.
     
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    You are an idealist aren’t you?
     
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    In general, this will hinge on whether you are Cal or Non-Cal. In general, Cals point of emphasis is on accuracy of message and how true it is to Scripture. Non-Cals willingly compromise accuracy for perceived results.
     
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    None whatsoever.
     
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    Well.... My favorite sports team is the Atlanta Braves, favorite movie Monty Python's Holy Grail, and favorite band the Grateful Dead. So you may have a point. :Biggrin
     
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    I find the idea interesting as it was certainly important in the ANE culture (the culture of much of the OT).

    Why do you believe such is not important today (and when do you believe primacy shifted from more substantial ideas to merely presenting information as facts)?
     
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    I find the idea interesting as it was certainly important in the ANE culture (the culture of much of the OT).

    Why do you believe such is not important today (and when do you believe primacy shifted from more substantial ideas to facts)?
     
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    Not with the Braves on the list.
     
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    Blasphemy!!!!!
     
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    Jon,
    I have no idea what you're talking about.

    Scripture is read and understood by a person who has the Spirit of God in them ( 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 ), and there are no "methods", nor is there any sort of framework that believers fall back on when reading His word.

    We simply read it, and believe it by faith.
    Please see John 8:43-47 and 1 John 2:20-27.

    But as for accuracy and mode of communication, I'd say literal and grammatical, for the most part.
    However, Jesus words are spirit, and they are life ( John 6:63 ).

    As a thing of God, they are not received by the natural man.
     
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    Who is your favorite boxer, what’s your favorite pet and your favorite weapon(s)? Also, Bach, Beethoven and Chopin should be added to the list and ELO ain’t bad neither.
     
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    I gave up on them shortly after Turner sold them.
     
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    Aren’t idealists perceived results kinda people?
     
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    Numbers. Numbers who walk forward and say a prayer. Numbers who attend. Numbers in the plate. Etc.
     
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    Up here we basically just ignore them
     
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    Accountants and statisticians you mean:Laugh
     
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    Favorite boxer? Rocky Balboa, of course. :Biggrin. Also Joe Frazier.

    ELO is good. Do is Sterly Dan.
     
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    Fagen is from NJ. So is Bruce Springsteen ... and Rocky Marciano is from Brockton Mass. Kicked Jersey Joe Walcott's arse twice.
     
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