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ACORN is dishonest?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by ajg1959, Oct 7, 2008.

  1. Major B

    Major B <img src=/6069.jpg>

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    How ironic it would be if he is elected in November and indicted for RICO in December. I wonder if W would pardon him if he agreed to resign and never seek political office again?
     
  2. LeBuick

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    I have to admit, I'm not happy with this ACORN group. I understand why Obama would seek organizations to assist with registering voters but ACORN is another example of how low this country has come with this election. However, this situation was presented in the last election. Why didn't the government put safeguards in place over the last 4 years I don't know???
     
  3. Major B

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    More on ACORN

    Obama camp downplays payments to ACORN

    S.A. Miller (Contact)
    Friday, October 10, 2008

    • Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama's campaign distanced itself Thursday from its $800,000 payment linked to the liberal ACORN organization, which is under investigation in several states where it is suspected of filing fraudulent voter registrations.
    Federal Election Commission reports show ACORN-affiliated Citizens Services Inc. got $832,598 from the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote work during the primaries. But those payments stopped in May and the Obama campaign says they should not be an election issue.
    "This is going to be an historic election with unprecedented voter participation, and we are committed to protecting the integrity of the voting process," Obama spokesman Nick Shapiro said. "We support local officials in their efforts to investigate any fraudulent behavior and the full prosecution of any illegal activities."

    Still, the contributions to Citizens Services draw the Obama campaign closer to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, and the growing voter-fraud scandal that this week spread to the battleground state of Ohio.

    The elections board in Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, is reviewing about 65,000 voter cards submitted by ACORN after flagging 50 cards filled out for duplicate names, fictitious addresses, noncitizens and recycled names and addresses of currently registered voters, said board spokesman Mike West.

    Similar probes reportedly are under way in other large Ohio counties.
    Citizen Services is inextricably tied to ACORN. Along with nonprofit sister organization Project Vote, Citizens Services and ACORN share the same New Orleans address and the same executive staff while money flows freely between the three entities. In 1996, Project Vote's tax returns show it paid ACORN more than $4.6 million for campaign services and Citizens Services more than $779,000 for legal and administrative services.
    The ACORN political action committee endorsed Mr. Obama for president.
    Its national voter-registration drive - which is targeting low-income, minority and young voters who tend to vote Democrat and likely favor Mr. Obama at the polls - is implicated in investigations of bogus voter applications in a dozen states, many of them battlegrounds.

    Voter registration is key to Mr. Obama's election strategy. First-time voters, especially students and minorities, helped fuel Mr. Obama's primary wins, and his campaign is looking for the same results to capture swing states such as Ohio on Nov. 4...."

    Rest at
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/10/obama-camp-downplays-payments-to-acorn/?page=2
     
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  4. bobbyd

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    This ACORN situation reminds me of a quote from Ronald Reagan from back on August 9, 1973, "My whole family were democrats. As a matter of fact, I had an uncle who won a medal once for never having missed voting in an election for 15 years...and he'd been dead for 14."
     
  5. Gold Dragon

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    This looks like a legitimate bad association of Obama's. Apparently it was already highlighted in August by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review which has a lot of good details.

     
  6. Major B

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    More Democratic Vote Cheating--thousands of dead voters newly registered.

    Local 2 Investigates Dead Voters


    HOUSTON -- Note: The following story is a verbatim transcript of an Investigators story that aired on Thursday, Oct. 8, 2008, on KPRC Local 2 at 10 p.m.

    Local 2 investigates dead voters.

    The push to register voters for this year's presidential election is breaking records.

    More than 1.9 million people are registered to vote in Harris County alone.

    But how many of the people listed on the voter roll are actually eligible to cast a ballot?

    Investigative reporter Amy Davis shows you how hundreds of voters could sway this year's election -- voters who are not even alive.

    "All-in-all, a great person, a great woman, just a wonderful person" is how Alexis Guidry described her mother to Local 2 Investigates.

    "As far back as I can remember, they've always voted in the election," Guidry said of her parents.

    The March 2008 Primary was no exception. Voting records show Alexis' mom, Gloria Guidry, cast her ballot in person near her South Houston home.

    "It was just very shocking, a little unsettling," said Alexis Guidry.

    It's unsettling because Gloria Guidry died of cancer 10 months before the March Primary.

    "She'd be very upset," Guidry said when asked what her mom would think.

    Trent Seibert, of Texas Watchdog, says you should be too.

    "This is really disquieting. It's concerning. It's worrisome," said Seibert.

    He heads up the non-partisan news group on the web.

    Texas Watchdog compared Harris County's voter registration roll with the Social Security death index and found more than 4,000 matches -- registered voters that, it appears, are already dead.

    Some of them, like Henderson Hill's late wife Linda, voted postmortem.

    "I would like to know who did it, myself," Hill told Davis.

    We don't know who used Linda Hill's or Gloria Guidry's IDs to vote, but we do know if their names had been purged from voter rolls after they died, using their IDs wouldn't have worked.

    "This is a red flag. No matter where you are, this should set off alarm bells," Seibert said. "Someone needs to take a look at this."

    Local 2 Investigates took the information to the Harris County Voter Registrar.

    "We just kind of work with the systems that we're allowed to," explained George Hammerlein, the director of Harris County Voter Registration.

    The county's system for culling deceased voters from the roll seems painfully primitive.

    We watched employees clip obituaries from the newspaper and sort through probate records for names matching those on the roll. But, Hammerlein says while fraud is a concern, for his office, disenfranchising voters is a bigger one.

    "We do all we can, but you know we'd rather err on the side of leaving people on the roll instead of taking them off inadvertently," he said.

    But could that cautious "better safe than sorry" standard sway an election some say will be a close one?

    Texas Watchdog found 4,462 registered voters who appear to be deceased.

    In 2000, George Bush won the presidential election by a mere 537 votes in Florida.

    "We've never had any evidence there's a concerted attempt at fraud," Hammerlein told Local 2.

    But there is evidence the state agency in charge of ensuring only eligible voters can vote is not.

    The State Auditor's Office conducted an audit of the voter registration system at the Secretary of State's Office last November.

    Auditors identified 49,049 registered voters state-wide who may have been ineligible to vote. Approximately 23,576 may have been deceased and another 23,114 were possible felons. And they found more than 2,359 duplicate records.

    The auditor did not find any instances in which potentially ineligible voters actually voted, but they wrote, "Although the Secretary of State's office has processes to identify many ineligible voters and remove them from the State's voter registration list, improvements can be made."

    Almost a year after this audit, we wanted to know if the Secretary of State has made any improvements. Have they added any safeguards to the process?

    See more at

    http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/17671375/detail.html
     
  7. TomVols

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    I've heard from Ohio friends that they are seeing ACORN people carrying Obama signs as they register, simultaneous registration of the same person, pay for registration, etc. Heard on the news that county boards up there are being flooded with complaints.

    Those who crave power will stop at nothing to get it. The fix is in in my old home state :tear:

    Heard Ken Blackwell say that election fraud is the greatest crime against democracy. Couldn't agree more.
     
  8. LadyEagle

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    Merged 3 acorn threads/LE
     
  9. LeBuick

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    If this happened back in 2000, why hasn't a system to safeguard our elections been put in place? They have had 8 years to address this concern and shut down groups like ACORN if they choose to operate without integrity.
     
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