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Actual differences in King James Versions

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Phillip, Oct 18, 2004.

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  1. michelle

    michelle New Member

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    No, I neither contradicted myself, nor am confused. Instead, you simply do not understand my position, because of your presuppositions. My position is the historical Baptist position. My position is the KJV translators' position. My position is the historical Christian position. Has the church been confused and contradictory for all this time, or is it instead that you simply misunderstand something? I think the latter.
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    The only thing from your statement that can be understood, is that you have held your own opinions, and opinions of men, above that of the truth in the scriptures.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
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    michelle said "The only thing from your statement that can be understood, is that you have held your own opinions, and opinions of men, above that of the truth in the scriptures."

    Not at all. Instead, you simply do not understand my position, because of your presuppositions. My position is the historical Baptist position. My position is the KJV translators' position. My position is the historical Christian position. Has the church held its own opinions, and opinions of men, above that of the truth in the scriptures for all this time, or is it instead that you simply misunderstand something? I think the latter.
     
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  3. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Natter -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
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  4. michelle

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    No contradiction here. There are many valid English Bible translations - both older and newer than the KJV.
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    And who makes that determination or judgement and how is it made to come to the conclusion that it is valid? YOU? Other men? or God?


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    And who makes that determination or judgement and how is it made to come to the conclusion that only the KJV is valid? YOU? Other men? or God?
     
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    michelle asked "And who makes that determination or judgement and how is it made to come to the conclusion that it is valid? YOU? Other men? or God?"

    Us, other men, AND God. It is the historical Baptist position. It is the KJV translators' position. It is the historical Christian position.
     
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  7. David J

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    What did the AV1611 translators say about other versions michelle?
     
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    Turn around five times and then count to ten and read the title of the topic before posting. The issue is not KJV vs MV's but "Actual Differences in King James Versions".
     
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  9. michelle

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    michelle said "The only thing from your statement that can be understood, is that you have held your own opinions, and opinions of men, above that of the truth in the scriptures."

    Not at all. Instead, you simply do not understand my position, because of your presuppositions. My position is the historical Baptist position. My position is the KJV translators' position. My position is the historical Christian position. Has the church held its own opinions, and opinions of men, above that of the truth in the scriptures for all this time, or is it instead that you simply misunderstand something? I think the latter.
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    I think it is you who doesn't understand your own self, nor what I said - and like I have said, you have not only contradicted yourself, but also are very confused. You have made it quite clear in your own statement that your position comes from everything but the scriptures themselves. Where in the scriptures themselves, does your position come from, that lead you to believe that all those versions are the pure words of God and in relation to my initial question that you answered?


    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #49 michelle, Oct 18, 2004
  10. TC

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    Right. Sorry to have helped get the thread off topic. Therefore, I will not respond to any post that is not about the OP. If you must discuss something else, start your own thread.
     
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    Is Dr. Ruckman one of those scholars who would agree with Mormonism about the KJV? Sounds like he does.
     
    #51 gb93433, Oct 18, 2004
  12. gb93433

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    What does this have to do with the title of the topic?
     
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  13. David J

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    It is very evident that the 1611 KJV and current KJV's are not 100% in agreement. How do we know which KJV is perfect?

    1611 KJV
    1 John 5:12,"... he that hath not the Son, hath not life."

    1769 KJV
    1 John 5:12,"...not the Son of God"

    Why was "of God" added to the 1611KJV? This is a change. A change is a change no matter if it takes away "of God" or adds "of God" it is a change!


    1611KJV
    1 Corinth 15:6," And..."

    1769KJV
    1 Corinth 15:6," After..."

    Yet another change made to the 1611!

    1611KJV
    Matthew 16:16 Thou art Christ

    1769 KJV
    Matthew 16:16 Thou art the Christ

    *Is Jesus "Christ"

    or

    *Is Jesus "the Christ"

    *a little KJVO type spin [​IMG]

    Anyway let's ignore the KJVO spam and get back on topic.

    Putting aside all the "which KJV is perfect" question that I asked, the examples listed are real changes made to the KJV over the years.
     
    #53 David J, Oct 18, 2004
  14. michelle

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    What did the AV1611 translators say about other versions michelle?
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    I could really not give a hoot. I only care what God has said about His own words, and judge all according to them and what God has revealed about them.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #54 michelle, Oct 18, 2004
  15. David J

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    In other words I am pinned and I will not answer.

    My ignore filter is on michelle now seeing that she is trying to hijack this thread! [​IMG]
     
    #55 David J, Oct 18, 2004
  16. Phillip

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    Thank you for reminding us what the topic is. I am guilty of getting off topic, but it is usually not an intention "bomb" dropped to try to prevent the thread from continuing.

    This is honestly getting frustrating.
     
    #56 Phillip, Oct 18, 2004
  17. David J

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    Genesis 39:16- “her lord”1611 “his lord”1769
    Exodus 15:25 – “he made a statute”1611 “ he made for them a statute”1769
     
    #57 David J, Oct 18, 2004
  18. michelle

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    I apologize. I guess it was my fault for taking this off topic (not purposely) by asking Hank a question, in regards to his question. I really only meant it as a question only, and did not expect so many replies. I will end it now, and I am sorry for taking it off topic.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
    #58 michelle, Oct 18, 2004
  19. Phillip

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    Removed due to changes.

    Michelle, I commend you due to your appology. [​IMG]
     
    #59 Phillip, Oct 18, 2004
  20. manchester

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    Definitely not the KJV!

    Definitely not the KJV!

    Definitely not the KJV!

    The lie is that the KJV is the only Word of God in English. A difficult truth is always better than a simplistic lie.
     
    #60 manchester, Oct 18, 2004
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