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After 7 year tribulation

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Brian30755, Aug 20, 2005.

  1. OldRegular

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    Sounds like a pipe dream to me!
     
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    When you re-read Revelation, be careful to notice what the angel tells John about the New Jerusalem.

    Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
    Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    The New Jerusalem is the Church.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I will give that a big AMEN! [​IMG]
     
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    Well you got one thing almost right
     
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    What are we to do with this verse:

    Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

    Isn't the New Jerusalem contained in the New Heavens and New Earth?
    </font>[/QUOTE]From Revelation 21, 22 we see that the Church, the New Jerusalem, will dwell eternally with the Triune God in the New Heaven and Earth.
     
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    </font>[/QUOTE]John introduces this section with the 1st Resurrection, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Wiersbe's problem is that he was seduced by Darby/Scofield.
     
  6. Ed Edwards

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    I still wonder why people get confused about
    "The Kingdom of God". God is a Triune God,
    he has a Triune Kingdom. In this Gentile Age
    in which we live the Kingdom of God is
    within us. In the Golden Age, the physical
    Millinnial Kingdom of Christ, the Kingdom
    of God will be on Earth. After the New Heavens
    and New Earth, the Kingdom of God will be
    within us; Christ will be with us, ruling us;
    and this Kingdom of God will be without any
    end. So everything said in the Bible
    of the Kingdom of God is true or will be true.

    Recall that many times
    the Bible speaks of that which is to be as
    that which is already
     
  7. Brian30755

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    I asked my original question because I'm teaching a Sunday School lesson this Sunday on Daniel Chapter 7, and I just wanted to briefly mention what's going to happen to us at the end of this earth's history: Rapture, 7 year tribulation period for those left behind, 1000 year reign of Jesus and His saints on this earth, then eternity in heaven.

    But now, I'm so confused, I guess I'll just avoid even mentioning it. Thanks anyway.
     
  8. Pastor Brian R. Giaquinto

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    Let's think about this logically. God's original intent was for mankind to have dominion over the earth as representative agents for the Lord. Why would God change His mind? Isn't the point of redemption to restore everything to created intent? Why would God segregate Jews and "pretrib" Christians - one on a literal earth, the other in heaven. This would seems rather unfair. At least if I were a Jew, I would rather reign in heaven with Christ.
    I also HOPE for a "pretrib" rapture, but can't definitively prove it - other than assumptions and heresay. We have to remember that were dealing with apocaplyptic literature. Just have faith that in the end, Christ will reign supreme; and we (those truly saved by grace through faith) will stand as willing servants by His side.
    EVEN SO COME LORD JESUS!!
     
  9. OldRegular

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    My viewpoint on the Book of Revelation is summarized as follows:

    The Book of Revelation, the final book in the Canon of Holy Scripture, is a story of victory: the victory promised in Eden; the victory ensured through the sacrificial death and resurrection of the Incarnate Son, Jesus Christ; a victory of good over evil of Jesus Christ over Satan; the victory in which Satan and his angels and all who love darkness rather than light are cast into the lake of fire; all portrayed in graphic detail. There is no question that much of what is portrayed in this Book is very difficult to understand yet there is much in the Book that, even if the import of what is being pictured cannot be fully grasped, is a spiritual blessing to the Saints of God.

    1. In the Book of Revelation we see Jesus Christ revealed on a cosmic level, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, whereas in the Gospels we see Jesus Christ revealed primarily on a personal level, the Son of Man, the Suffering Servant, the Lamb of God, and our Saviour.

    2. In the Book of Revelation as no where else in Scripture we see the Triune nature of God clearly revealed and emphasized, particularly in the Apostle John’s vision of the throne room of God as recorded in Chapters 4 & 5.

    3. In the Book of Revelation we see the sovereignty of God again clearly revealed and emphasized as no where else in Scripture, in the salvation of His elect, in His providential care over His chosen ones, and in His control of history to achieve His purpose.

    4. In the Book of Revelation we see time after time, in fact through seven different pictures, the triumph of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords over Satan and the dreadful wrath of God meted out to those who continue in rebellion against Him.

    5. In the Book of Revelation we see the sevenfold blessing promised to those chosen in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world and made accepted in the beloved.

    Revelation 1:3, KJV
    3. Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.

    Revelation 14:13, KJV
    13. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

    Revelation 16:15, KJV
    15. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.[/]i

    Revelation 19:9, KJV
    9. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

    Revelation 20:6, KJV
    6. Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Revelation 22:7, KJV
    7. Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

    Revelation 22:14, KJV
    14. Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    6. In the Book of revelation we see more clearly than elsewhere in Scripture the joy unspeakable and full of glory that awaits the Saints of God. As the Apostle Paul writes, paraphrasing the Prophet Isaiah: Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.[1 Corinthians 2:9]

    7. The Book of Revelation is a pastoral letter in that it was written for the comfort of Christians undergoing intense persecution. It is a benedictory letter in that it bestows blessing upon those who read or hear and keep the things written in the letter. It is a book of revelation or unveiling as indicated in Revelation 1:1 and finally it is a book of prophecy as indicated in Revelation 1:3.
     
  10. James_Newman

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    What are we to do with this verse:

    Ecc 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

    Isn't the New Jerusalem contained in the New Heavens and New Earth?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Forever doesn't always mean on and on for endless eternity. What would you do with this verse?
    Deuteronomy 15:17
    17 Then thou shalt take an awl, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant forever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.

    Do you suppose this man must continue to serve his master in the afterlife?
     
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    </font>[/QUOTE]John introduces this section with the 1st Resurrection, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Wiersbe's problem is that he was seduced by Darby/Scofield. </font>[/QUOTE]You guys crack me up. The scary part is that I think you really believe this stuff.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    You are told what the first resurrection is. It is reigning with Christ for 1000 years. If you have a part in the first resurrection, you will live and reign with Christ a thousand years. You have no right to redefine what the bible has already defined for you.
     
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    It would seem to me we should take the Bible at face value, and bring together what His Word presents. Not to debate here as you wish, just a few verses to let us know what happens after our arrival in heaven.

    Were will we be after the rapture, those saved by the Grace of God that comes to us Through Christ Jesus? According to His Word from heaven we will not only be where He is, but we will also be with Him. ”Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him,” Romans 6:1.

    As we are one with Christ in His Body, we will be with Him wherever He is. We are already made One with Him, and no one or anything can ever tear this asunder. I believe just as the first Adam to have one Like him, the second Adam will have those Like Him. 1st John 3:2, ”Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.”

    I’ll not enter the debate just yet with the other’s; gotta’ take my wife to the hospital to have some stitches removed. Christi faith, ituttut
     
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    Agree with the first three of your exposed paragraphs. I notice we agree on many things beyond the reach of some others, but not all.

    Won’t argue with the number (Billions now on earth), for you normally can back-up your statements, but believe could be much less, for in the past scripture shows consistently only remnants in the Old Testament believed, and hardly any before that. Of course that could be reversed as He is now reconciling the whole world unto Himself, and this “Grace Commission” allows into heaven those that just have to “believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ”. So we have close to 2000 years that this Grace period has lasted. What a gift.

    I believe God has a figure in mind, (how many angels follow Satan?) and when that number is reached, perhaps a billion, 50 billion or more, we in the Church age in the Body of Christ will be resurrected, along with those that will reign with Christ on this earth during the millennium.

    So I agree with you that Some will be rewarded with service in the millennium period. We see in scripture two foundations built on the foundation of Jesus Christ. One is that foundation of the “kingdom is at hand”, and of promise; then those on that larger foundation of Christianity. I am making these statements on what scripture provides for us, and nail down those that will still be in heaven during the 1,000 years reign.

    Matthew 11:13 informs until John the Baptist, prophecy and the law were in effect. Luke 16:16 embellishes with the words “since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it”. So we see that with the coming of John the Baptist, we have entered into another dispensation. In this dispensation we know is Jesus, and His Apostles, Pentecost and who will be in That Kingdom are those as “Pressed Into”. God can do this, but it won’t be easy for some being even more pressed than a camel pressed through the “eye of a needle”.

    I believe we can see from scripture that we today are not in this group that are “pressed into the kingdom of God. Another dispensation has now be instituted. We enter the “kingdom” in the Body of Christ, not by faith being “pressed into”, but enter into the Holy of Holy in the Body of Christ Jesus, where His blood is. We come through and that is where There is life, and Life is in the Blood.

    We notice further that we are destined to the heavenlies to always be with Christ Jesus. From scripture I can see Jesus Christ will come back to this earth, but I don’t believe we will reign with Him, as will those promised the “kingdom”. He will reign over them that He gives the kingdom to. Luke 12:13, ”Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.” Those of promise I believe with reign with Him on this earth…….We today are never promised this. We in the Body of Christ are preserved for His heavenly kingdom, not this earthly kingdom. 2nd Timothy 4:18. Christian faith, ituttut
     
  14. Grasshopper

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    Actually I agree with you. However when dealing with dispies they usually insist it does:

    Gen 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee willI give it, and to thy seed for ever .

    Ex 32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them,I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land thatI have spoken of willI give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever .

    What cracks me up is you wish to literalize the book of Revelation, a book that contains numerous symbolic references, most of which can be found in the Old Testament. However when we get to the least complicated words and phrases you wish to ignore them or just change the menaing.


    Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass ; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

    I suppose if you ignore all the time-statements you can interpret all the symbols in any way you wish. Which is exactly what is done.
    Babylon is Iraq, not its America, no it’s the Roman Catholic Church, no it’s the UN, no it’s the apostate church, no its………………
     
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    </font>[/QUOTE]John introduces this section with the 1st Resurrection, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. Wiersbe's problem is that he was seduced by Darby/Scofield. </font>[/QUOTE]You guys crack me up. The scary part is that I think you really believe this stuff.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    You are told what the first resurrection is. It is reigning with Christ for 1000 years. If you have a part in the first resurrection, you will live and reign with Christ a thousand years. You have no right to redefine what the bible has already defined for you.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Answer a simple question. What was the first and only resurrection to date?
     
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    Does Lazarus count? No, seriously, of course Christ is the firstfruit of the first ressurection.

    That doesn't negate what John plainly told you in the scripture. The 'first resurrection' is ruling and reigning for the thousand years, and Christ will be there as well as those accounted blessed AND holy.
     
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    I remember 'The Apostles' Creed' so well when I was in teen, took confirmation class at Lutheran School for the Deaf in Detroit, MI. I was required to memorized by writing down of Apostle Creed in the class.

    'Apostles Creed' was written in year around 4th Century. Some believe it was written in the Second Century.

    The Apostle Creed says:

    "I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, HIs only Son, our Lord: who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting."

    * the word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ (actually, I do not feel comfortable with that word, I believe in both universal and local church. Understand, it means all nations of the world whosoever believth in Jesus Christ is the church.)

    You notice the statement of 'Apostles' Creed', there is no mentioned of '7 year tribulation', 'rapture', and 'a thousand years'.

    Also, neither in 'The Nicene Creed' saying '7 year tribulation', 'rapture', and 'a thousand years' either.

    '7 year tribulation', 'rapture', and 'a thousand years', these were not yet developing teaching among Christians during Early Church history.

    Many Lutherans, Catholics, Methodists, Reformers, and even also baptists use either 'Apostles Creed' or 'Nicene Creed' today.

    I am 100% agree with both creeds. I have no problem with it. They are sound doctrine, and basic fundamental doctrine based upon Word of God.

    Right now, we are in tribulations. Church must go through much of tribulations enter into the kingdom of God - Acts 14:22. Tribulations cannot be done till Jesus Christ shall come with His angels to judge the world at the second advent at the end of the world. When Christ shall come, and we all shall face before the judgment seat of Christ to judge us. Then, after that. Church shall reigning with Christ on new earth and in New Jerusalem for ever and ever.....without end. Amen.

    Also, there is no biblical saying that a single unbeliever shall be survived and remain left beyond the judgement day at Christ's coming. All will be gone just same as in Noah's day, and Lot's day too. And there is no another chance for a unbeliever to repent of sins beyond Christ's coming according to Matt. 25:1-13; & Rev. 16:15. All unbelievers shall be judged and cast away into the lake of fire. There shall be no unbeliever left remain on earth once which, their names are not find written in the book of life. Only remain and left people shall dwell on new earth and in New Jerusalem beyond Christ's coming, these who are FOUND written in the book of life.

    Very simple and plain.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
  18. Ed Edwards

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    OldRegular:

    "Answer a simple question. What was the first and only resurrection to date?"

    'first and only' like in the blessed Trinity?

    Here are the Five general resurrecions, 2 of which have taken place:
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    \o/ Glory to the Lord \o/

    \o/ Praise be to Jesus \o/

    Five Resurrections
    Found in the Holy Bible
    Compared and Contrasted

    The Lord God is a resurrecting God.

    Definitions:

    New Testament: God's contract on goy
    Old Testament: God's contract on Yisrael
    Resurrection: a person who was dead is alive
    Saint: a person on God's list (AKA: Book of Life)
    Tribulation: AKA: The Time of Jacob's Trouble (Jeremiah 30:4-7);
    --Yisrael passing under the rod (Ezekiel 20:34-3;
    --Melting Pot (Ezekiel 22:19-22);
    --Time of Trouble (Daniel 12:1); etc.
    Resurrection: a person who was dead is alive
    goy - Yisraeli term for gentiles (probably slightly derogotory)
    Yisrael - Transliteration of the Hebrew term for "Israel" into English.

    How to get on God's list:

    Romans 10:9 (KJV): That if thou
    shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
    believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from
    the dead, thou shalt be saved.



    1. Resurrection of Jesus
    WHO: Jesus
    WHEN: 33AD
    WHERE: Jerusalem
    WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
    HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal; because of the
    resurrection of Jesus, all the other resurrections
    are possible
    References: Matthew 28:6, Mark 16:6, Luke 24:6-8


    2. Resurrection of some Old Testament Saints
    WHO: Some of those who died before Jesus believeing God, especially
    those who believed in God's Messiah
    WHEN: 33AD
    WHERE: mostly in Jerusalem
    WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
    HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal

    3. Resurrection of the New Testament Saints
    WHO: Church age (AKA: times of the Gentiles) Saints; balance
    of the Old Testament Saints
    WHEN: Some date after 15 Mar 2005;
    at the end of the Church Age; at the beginning of
    the Tribulation
    WHERE: Worldwide
    WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
    HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal;
    this resurrection is followed in but a
    moment by the translation of the living
    saints into a glorified heavenly body like
    that of Jesus
    References: 1 Corinthians 15:52, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

    4. Resurrection of the Tribulation Saints
    WHO: Those beheaded for faith in Jesus; those
    who reject the Mark of the Beast
    WHEN: at the end of the Tribulation; at the
    beginning of the 1,000-year reign of Jesus
    WHERE: worldwide
    WHY: The Lord God is a resurrecting God.
    HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: Raised to Life Eternal
    References: Revelation 20:4-6,

    5. Resurrection of the non-Saints
    WHO: All those throughout time who have rejected Jesus
    WHEN: At the close of the 1,000-year reign of Jesus;
    at the beginning of eternity
    WHERE: worldwide
    WHY: i don't know, God does
    HOW: i don't know, God does
    WHAT: Raised to eternal shame & damnation
    References: Revelation 20:12-15

    NOTE: The delineation of the five revealed
    resurrections above
    does not preclude other resurrections. The Lord God
    is a resurrecting God and His hand is not shortened
    by his revelation to us or
    by our understaning of His revelation to us.
    For example: Two Witnesses shall
    be resurrected in the middle of the Tribulation.
    Lazarus was resurrected by Jesus.

    There is a pastoral picture of the four resurrections
    for which the resurrection of Jesus was a precusor
    (numbered here as above):

    2. The First Fruits (Matthew 27:22-53)

    3. The Harvest (1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

    4. The Gleanings (Revelation 7:14, 20:4)

    5. The Tares (Matthew 13:28-30)

    Sometimes the Holy Bible calls resurrections 2-4, the resurrections
    of the just: The First Resurrection (because all the
    resurrections of the just preceede the resurrection
    of the unjust).

    The following scriptures seem to imply a simultaneous
    resurrection of the just and the wicked dead:
    Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29 (all resurrected
    in the same hour), Acts 24:15. Revelation 20-4-6
    cleary notes that the just are raised one day
    (a 1,000 year long day) before the unjust.

    CAUTION: The numbering scheme 1 to 5 above was arbitrarliy
    assigned to enable the discussion. There is nothing
    sacred or Biblical about this numbering scheme.

    May Jesus our Savior and our Master be Praised!

    Note that ressurrections #2 and #3 are accompanied
    by a rapture of living saints.

    --compilation by ed, incurable Jesus Phreaque
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  19. DeafPosttrib

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    Ed,

    Hello! How are you doing? I am doing fine! Good to see you made post here.

    Ok, let's discuss about the issue of resurrection. The basic thing that we all agreed that there shall be resurrection at Christ's coming. There is no question about it. That is a fundamental doctrine.

    There is much disagree about the timing of resurrection. The reason is because of dispensationalism's influence. There is much confusions and misunderstandings on Christians influenced by dispensational teachers, and books.

    Dispensationalism caused the body of Christ into schism or divided, which is conflict with the teaching of unity body of Christ in Ephesians chapter 2 by through Calvary.

    You makes a outline on the resurrections:
    Let's discuss start with 'the firstfruits'. Notice Matt. 27:50-53 telling us, when Christ yelled, and yielded up his soul(He died) on the cross. Then, the graves opened; many bodies of the saints slept were arose. And many went into the holy city and appeared many.

    Many believe verse 52-53 speak of literal physical resurrection of the saints occured right after the death of Christ. Probably they are right. I believe these who were arose from the death are all Old Testament saints.

    I heard a person told me, he believed these were actual risen from the death, then they return back to the graves again by follow their death(years later).

    I hate to use my opinion on Matt. 27:52-53. I believe these who came out of the graves, mean that they must have came out of Abraham's bosom of Luke chapter 16. And O.T. saints came out of Abraham's bosom, and followed Christ went into the heaven- according Ephesians 4:8-10.

    Firstly of all, Matt. 27:51-53 do not saying that O.T. saints were actual received new body or immortality. It only speak of these who were arose from the graves. What about their body? I believed that they were arose from the graves, but their body were remain mortal(dying), and they did went into old city - earthly Jerusalem and appeared to many people. Then years later, they died and return to their dust again. BUT, I believe their souls were arose, and did received the "first resurrection" or the part of the "firstfruit" because of Jesus Christ, who became the first person to be risen from from the death according to 1 Corinthians 15:20-21 -"But NOW is Christ risen from the dead, and BECOME the firstfruits of them that slept. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

    Jesus Christ is the FIRST person which was risen from thhe death, SO, Jesus Christ is the firstfruits, THEN afterward we are Christ's firstfruits.

    Matt. 27:51-53 could be the first stage of the resurrection. But, I believe this passage showing us, that Jesus Christ became the first person who was rose from the death, so, He became 'the firstfruits', then afterward Christ's risen, the rest of them are risen from the death. That is called, 'the first resurrection'.

    Later, I will discuss on 'the first resurrection' in this post.

    Now, let's discuss on harvest.

    You saying that the harvest is rapture. That's correct, I agree with you.

    Do you consider the harvest of the earth of Matt. 13:39-42; and 49-50 is also speak of rapture??

    If you saying no. Then, why did you saying, '2. The Havrest' in the first place?

    You put 'The Tares' of Matt. 13:28-30 in the fourth stage of the resurrection in the last place.

    Please rereading Matthew 13:39-42 again carefully: "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest IS the end of the world; and the repeaers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; SO SHALL IT BE IN THE END OF THIS WORLD. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furance of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

    Does Christ saying, there will be two or three harvests in the future? None. How many harvests does Christ saying of Matt. 13:39-42?

    Three words as you given the outline of resurrection- 'harvest', 'gleanings', and 'tares'. All of these shall be occuring at the same time at the end of the world(age). Both 'harvest' and 'gleaning' are synonymous. Gleaning means gathering. Harvest means gathering.

    How about Matthew 25:31-46? Matthew 25:31-46 telling the same thing as what Christ saying of Matthew chapter 13 about the harvest of the world.

    Well also find in Revelation 14:14-20 mentioned about the harvest of the world.

    The Bible teaches us, there shall be the only one future harvest of the world at the end of the world will be at Christ's coming, no other else. Very simple and plain.

    You mentioned of Daniel 12:2.

    Daniel 12:2 show its refer with Rev. 20:11-15 talking about great white throne. Clearly, Daniel 12:2 speaks of the only one future resurrection event at the end of the age.

    You mentioned of John 5:28-29. Notice John 5:28-29 nothing saying about '7 year of tribulation' or 'a thousand years' either. "the hour" of John 5:28 is speak of TIME for the judgement/resurrection to come or arrived.

    Same as common sense of Rev. 3:10 - 'the hour of temptation' is not saying of so called, '7 year of tribulation', but speaking of the TIMES of temptations. Rev. 3:10 talking about WHEN we are facing temptations, trials, persecutions, God shall take care of us, IF we keeping His word(commandment).

    John 5:28-29 teaching us, there shall be the only one future general resurrection of both unbelievers and believers at the judgment day.

    You say,

    I will discuss on Revelation 20:4-6 more about resurrection in the next post.

    To be continued....

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
  20. DeafPosttrib

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    Right now, it is 12:30 am. I need break for now. I will post on Revelation 20:4-6 about resurrection tomorrow for sure.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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