Age of the Universe in Jewish Commentaries

37818 · Jul 13, 2021

RighteousnessTemperance& said: ↑

Primary agency does not seem to be in view in those verses, only essential agency with nothing temporal or finite attached until the Incarnation. The person of Christ is an important doctrine, his divine nature an essential feature, his human nature via the Incarnation as well. This doctrine needed to be well established and was, and thus is.

Thus far, nothing regarding temporal or finite attached to the God of creation during creation has been established, much less fleshed out.
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It is a matter of truth. Cause and effect. Creation is finite and temporal. So only had a finite and temporal cause regardless of causing agent. Which was God via the One with God as God. John 1:2-3. Genesis 1:1. The uncause Cause must be identified as the Son. John 1:2-3. Not to is against Persons in the Godhead.
Uncaused is Eternal.
Cause is finite and temporal in order to have a finite and temporal creation.

dad2 · Sep 3, 2021

Humble Disciple said: ↑

Young earth creationists insist that the universe is less than 10,000 years old. While humanity may have begun, according to the Jewish commentaries, 5700 years ago, that doesn't mean the creation itself is only 5700 years old:

The medieval commentator Isaac of Akko dated the creation to be 15 billion years old, which corresponds to Big Bang cosmology:

Even if the universe were 15 billion years old, this wouldn’t automatically prove that evolution is true, which is a separate matter from the age of the universe.

Amazingly, the medieval commentator Nachmanides predicted Big Bang cosmology:

Since everything that begins to exist has a cause, God was the uncaused first cause of the Big Bang. According to Isaiah 42:5 and Job 9:8, God “stretched out” the heavens, which corresponds to the Big Bang.

Orthodox Jewish physicist Gerald Schroeder, who advances the position that Big Bang cosmology demonstrates the existence of God, is also critical of Darwinian evolution:

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That is a lot of speculation. Even if true that Jewish tradition only begins counting time since Adam was created on day 6, so what? Jewish tradition is basically of no value when we already have Scripture on the matter. God told us how He did it. There is no way to insert immense imaginary time into creation week. Why not simply believe what God says?

dad2 · Sep 3, 2021

37818 said: ↑

Son of God and God. God is not the Son. The Son is not God the Father. Not God but the Son of God. In the incarnation the Son. became man. A man did not become God. The Son was always both the Son and God too. So He was always both not God and God too. The "not God" is not disallowing Him being God too. Fact "with God" is not saying the one other than God is God. In this case being not and being God too. John 1:1-2.
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I and the Father are One Jesus said. God is the Son. Jesus is God.

Squire Robertsson · Sep 3, 2021

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