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  1. Reynolds

    Reynolds Well-Known Member
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    "I will say this as we launch off into this series. If the church must be anything, she must be a safe place for the gender confused and the sexually broken. If she is not safe for that, then we do not believe our own message. We are all broken, all in need of salvation, all in need of grace, and to take a particular struggle and put it outside the bounds reveals we don’t quite understand what it is we believe. Then we’ll take other people’s sins more seriously than we’ll take our own. It’s wicked."



    It was in our S.S. this morning. I see it as extremely problematic. Your thoughts?
     
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    I would need to hear a detailed description of what the speaker meant by the "church being a 'safe place'" for these people. (Or a safe place for sinners, in general.)

    But yeah, it sounds like it could be a problem.

    What is the subject of the new teaching series?
     
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    That was all that was said about that topic so far. It comes from the series "A beautiful design", by Matt Chandler.
     
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    Given the author I would be very concerned
     
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    I am. Can you tell me anything about him? I think I am about to talk with pastor about this and I need info.
     
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    He is part of the Gospel Coalition. They are all pushing the #metoo movement and social justice. I find it interesting that when there was questions about Paige Patterson and how he handled abuse cases they all wanted him run out of town on a rail. Matt Chandler's church has the same thing and no one makes a peep.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    The church must also at the same time keep confessing and teaching that the lifestyles of the LGTB are sinful, and wrong!
     
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    Even if the church preaches against the sin, how long should the sin be tolerated without enacting church discipline?
     
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    If by "safe place" they mean physical safety and not publicly ridiculing such individuals, that is fine. But if "safe place" means accepting sexual perversion or gender confusion as normative, I would be very concerned about the message my church is sending.


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  11. Reynolds

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    Safe and tolerant have become synonyms with the liberal faction of SBC.
     
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    Not tolerated at all, as the person needs to repent and come out of that lifestyle!
     
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    If they are seeking and just want to attend services that is fine. If they want their lifestyle to be accepted then no.
     
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    How long can one "seek" without becoming a cancer?
     
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    I don't see a length of time as problematic so much as involvement.
     
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    Not sure why this thread is in our Fundamental Baptist forum...

    Anyway, Southern Baptist Matt Chandler explaining to Vice News on HBO that he gets a lot of flack from Evangelicals when he talks about things like racial reconciliation and homosexuality:

    Pastor Matt Chandler (02:35): "You step into those spaces, you're going to draw a lot of flak from the Evangelical world, I think, especially around topics like homosexuality. We're quick to say "it's a sin!". I'm not going to disagree with that — I would think from the Scriptures that that's not what ultimately God intends. But to pretend like we're not talking about human beings with souls, who sometimes are deeply conflicted, is just a great error. To be right the wrong way is to be wrong."

     
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    Yep, that's a problem.
     
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    Not sure why you wouldn't want it in "our" fundamental Baptist forum.
     
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    I don't have any problems with this thread being in the Fundamental, Baptist Forum.
     
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    Not "all". Tim Challies and Denny Burk for example are part of TGC and are outspoken against the social justice movement (as the left presents it).

    If Chandler was supportive movement, I would think we wouldn't see a million dollar #metoo lawsuit filed agaisnt him.


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