Al-Jazeera hires ex-Marine

I believe every man is a liar. </font>[/QUOTE]Including yourself ?

 

I believe every man is a liar. </font>[/QUOTE]Including yourself ? </font>[/QUOTE]Yes and you as well brother.

Ecc 7:20 For [there is] not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

 

"Bowling for Columbine"? That was a pretty good film, thoughtful for the most part. The only part I objected to was his badgering Charlton Heston - that was bad.

I think it's wonderful the way you don't let not having seen a film keep you from having a strong opinion about it. That's the very definition of prejudice, isn't it? Prejudice has really gotten a bad rap from those evil pinko do-gooders... You just stick to your guns there. Guilt by association is still guilt! </font>[/QUOTE]Pretty nasty post, Daisy, from someone who doesn't really have a clue what I have seen and what I haven't.

This level of vituperation was called for simply because I don't believe awards at film festivals are a measure of truth?

 

Oh, that part was directed at Bro. Curtis, not you, and it wasn't particularly nasty, just a little sarcastic.

A little sarcasm over judging a movie one hasn't even seen is hardly vituperative at all. It's not as though I wrongfully, repeatedly, persistently accused someone of lying or questioned their Christianity, is it? Hmmm?

So, do you think that judging a movie one has not seen is or isn't an act of prejudice? Is it fair to judge something of which one has no real knowledge?

(Disclaimer: fair or not - and I think not - I've done it myself).

 

Oh, that part was directed at Bro. Curtis, not you, and it wasn't particularly nasty, just a little sarcastic.

</font>[/QUOTE]Daisy, I never mentioned Micheal Moore until you did. Go back and re-read the thread. This won't wash, you quoted carpro, so why would you direct that at me ? I know there are several arguments going on, try and keep your ducks in one row, please ?

 

Yeah, but the movie I was directing sarcasm at you for dismissing unseen is "Control Room", not Michael Moore's.

carpro, curtis - you all look alike. Yes, I did quote him and the first paragraph was meant for him. In the second, I was thinking of you. Can't you keep it straight?

You're right, of course. I'll try real hard from now on.....

btw, thanks for being a good sport!

 

You're welcome. Pretty funny, too. Carpro and I do sound alike.

I return you to the regularly scheduled disagreement.

No, I do not consider ANY movie a good source of info. And I do watch a lot of them. Did you see the Contender ? A 2 hour commercial for the left, with Gary Oldham playing the evil conservative ? Do you think that was an honest portrayl of what happens ?

I watched Hurricane, with Denzel washington the other night. What a pack of lies that movie was.

And no, I don't believe the incident was staged. I do believe my brother when he tells me the Iraqis hate Sadaam.

 

I didn't see it, so I really couldn't say. It doesn't sound like a documentary, though.

Well, those are two different things. I believe most the Iraqis hated Saddam, especially the Shiia and Kurds; I also believe the incident was staged.

 

Does anyone see the irony in that statement?

I must back up with what LE says here. I likewise saw the at-a-distance footage. The crowd was relatively small, in comparison to the square. But there was still enough of a crowd there to not be "desolate". But it's false that the thing was staged. There were some Kurds there, but there were also some locals there as well.

As for the flowers thing, I know a soldier who has been back for about 6 months now, who was there. He tells me that locals giving flowers and presents to the American soldiers was commonplace. He got several, and even had some of them pressed and framed, where they hand in his house today. This is a story that comes back with a lot of soldiers: the media doesn't think these stories of Iraqi gratitude and appreciation of American soldiers are newsworthy.

 

I agree. It was a good film. But it was not factual. Michael Moore is a great filmmaker. He uses the documentary style of filmmaking to tell his story.

We have this idea that documentaries are akin to news stories, or that documentaries are real events, etc. They are not. The documentary is simply a style of filmmaking, and often relies on fictionalization and dramatic license.

Bowling for Colmbine and Faranheit 911 were good films, but they were also heavy in fictional content and dramatic license.

 

Well, Johnv, I am now less firm in my belief that it was staged. No disrespect for the others, but you are one of the least likely here to twist or omit facts to suit some agenda, from what I've seen.

Still, I would appreciate your saying how you know it wasn't staged, if you would.

Flowers & candy, maybe, but I still don't buy that all those kids had American flags stashed away.

 

Oh, that part was directed at Bro. Curtis, not you, and it wasn't particularly nasty, just a little sarcastic.

A little sarcasm over judging a movie one hasn't even seen is hardly vituperative at all. It's not as though I wrongfully, repeatedly, persistently accused someone of lying or questioned their Christianity, is it? Hmmm?

So, do you think that judging a movie one has not seen is or isn't an act of prejudice? Is it fair to judge something of which one has no real knowledge?

(Disclaimer: fair or not - and I think not - I've done it myself). </font>[/QUOTE]I made no judgement about the movie one way or the other. I simply made an observation, which I believe to be accurate, that I don't believe awards at film festivals are a measure of truth.

 

I had the privilege of meeting one of the soldiers who was there once. It was a true privilege.

 

The Jessica Lynch "rescue" was staged and the facts about her capture were fabricated.

 

He was there once, but was he there then? Did he tell you from direct knowledge or what was passed to him by other soldiers?

rsr,

Thanks. Your posts are always a pleasure and often an education (in a good way ).

Right, which is why the sarcasm was not directed at you and why the question was.

That's nice, but it doesn't answer the question or further the discussion.

Well, never mind.


Has anyone other than LE seen "Control Room"? It sounds like an interesting movie.

 

I neglected to say he was there that day. At what point, I'm not sure, to be honest. But he was there that day, and witnessed the events firsthand. I do not know to what extent he participated. What struck me most was his thoughts about being home. While he was glad to be home, he said he wanted to return to Iraq and finish the job of iraqi liberation (his words).

 

The first thing that crossed my mind when it was suggested the whole thing was staged was, what about the Marine that draped the American flag on the statue of Saddam?

Staged?