Aliens

Is it your claim that it reading these simple obvious verses we "do not see" the text say it is the birds and fish that are being addressed and being told to "MULTIPLY AND FILL THE SEAS"?????

20 Then God said, ""Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.''
21 God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
22 God blessed them, saying, ""Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.''
23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

I just can't believe you are wanting to imagine that this is God telling cro-magnon to fill the seas!!!

In Christ,

Bob

 

Since a direct look at the text itself does not appear to serve to make your argument...

Notice the inconvenient details of the text as it points "by contrast" and distinction to the making of all land animals.

24 Then God said, ""Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind''; and it was so.
25 God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, ""Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.''
27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "" Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.''
29 Then God said, ""Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;
30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food''; and it was so.
31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day

God creates land animals and mankind on day 6. God shows us that evolutionism is rejected by pointing to animals giving birth ‘after their kind” instead of “and by multiplying they create more kinds”.

God gives us the cardinal numbering for this day – day 6. This is a “Chronological Sequence” that literally shows events AND the timeline that bounds them. The formula is the same “God Said – Let there be… God saw that it was good… AND there was evening and morning – A nnnn- Day”

This also distinguishes mankind from animals – showing that mankind is made in the image of God in this literal “evening and Morning” timeline.

 

I'm just curious 4P (not that you stated it) due to many of your...um...contentions I was just wondering if you consider Christ to be an actual created being. In other words do you believe the God the Father created the Son as well??
Just courious.

You have also made this statement though a couple of times. Yet you have also accerted though this Planet of Apes transpired from Evelution AND that God created all things to reproduce after their own Kinds. How pray tell do you hamonize the pre-historic man that came from (evolved) a pooling of amino-acids and other compounds (non-human) being able to breed with the Alien Humans that came to this world. You state they ALL are desendants from Adam yet you also say the Ape-men here were caused by the evolutionary process and should only be able to procreate after thier kind.

Another problem I have with a Statement of yours concerning Cains wife. He was a Human on another world and you stated He had to interbreed with the same type of lifeform (evolved humaniod-like I guess) on THAT planet as well because God hates incest. Now my question is were Adam and Even like Noah and His family in that they TOO were brought to another Earth like Planet because God destored it as well. Is this some on going thing with God and man?

 

Genesis 6 tells us of micro-evolution. It shows that the combination of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and Adam's daughters produced men of renown.

Micro-Evolution or descent with Modification, happens every time a baby is born. On the other hand, Macro-evolution is a LIE. Mixing two entirely different KINDS of “species” does NOT produce offsprings.

Perhaps, your problem is that you don't understand the difference between micro & macro evolution.

I am sure somebody can help you here if you humnble yourself.

 

Dear Bob

Where in the world you got the idea that living creatures and animals could produce their own “KIND” by themselves, in the beginning after they were created? Even Adam himself had to be given/made a mate (Eve) by the Lord, in order to multiply their kind, isn’t it?

It seems to me that you are intentionally taking away the glory of the Lord God who PHYSICALLY formed every living creatures, animals, fowl of the air, etc. from the ground producing the KINDS that was brought forth (ex-nihilo) from the waters on the 5th Day, would that be the case?

As I have said before, Microevolution or descent with modification happens every time a baby is born. It is God's way of keeping "kinds" within their own "kinds". Micro assures that dogs remain dogs...they evolve or change...but within their own "kind".

I am so sorry for your lack of understanding of the Scripture since it is clearly recorded in Genesis 6 when the sons of God (mankind) formed a union with the daughters of Adam (human).

 

It shows "nothing of the kind"!!

It shows that the descendants of Seth and the descendants of Cain began to intermarry. It brings this up as one of the direct causes of the flood and the judgment of God on mankind. The fact that the people of God were no longer choosing to live separate from the pagans - resulted in the "salt of the earth" being compromised which leads us to the next text in Genesis 6 showing us the corruption of ALL mankind and the judgment of God...

Obviously.

It also points out the fact that the pre-flood race of mankind were all giants by comparison to the ones living during the days of Moses and the readers to whom Moses was writing. The men of renown is probably a reference to the fact of man's high intelligence and genious - turning his talents toward rebellion and sin, resulting in corruption and violence.

It says NOTHING about "cro-magnon" ape-men, it says NOTHING about two species joining together.

To simply insert wild speculation into scripture as you are doing - is to eisegete in the extreme.

In Christ,

Bob

Micro-Evolution or descent with Modification, happens every time a baby is born. On the other hand, Macro-evolution is a LIE. Mixing two entirely different KINDS of “species” does NOT produce offsprings.

Perhaps, your problem is that you don't understand the difference between micro & macro evolution.

I am sure somebody can help you here if you humnble yourself.[/quote]

 

To be continued...

 

to be continued...

 

#1. In all cases "Sons of God" are those who are aligned with God - not in open rebellion.

#2. Romans 8:16 has the Holy Spirit witnessing with our spirit that we ARE the children of God

Luke 20:36
for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Always in the obedient context.

Matthew 5:9
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

The notion that the "evil angels are called sons of God" can not be supported in all of scripture. Satan may appear with them as in Job 1 and 2 - but he is not called Lucifer OR the son of God or one of the sons of God while in rebellion against God!

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.
10 Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

 

So, what are you saying Bob? Who were the sons of God based on your religious doctrinal faith?

 

In Christ,

Bob

 

Dear Bob,

See, as I've expected, like most young earthers, you cannot use Scripture to support your opinions. You can only use your interpretational methods which don't agree with Scripture, Science, nor History. You can only base your allege "proper interpretation" on your religion's views.

Not the generations of Seth -- the chosen people of God -- where the geneology Christ is listed and came from.

[If the offence wasn't intended don't say it.--(offensive language removed)] -- no offense intended.


God Bless

 

My take....

Gen. 6:1-5 shows that the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) married the daughter of man (Adam), and their offspring were MIGHTY MEN OF OLD. These men inherited the Human Intelligence of Adam, but were wicked, and unbelieving. Their violent nature caused the destruction of the 1st world. Gen. 6:13

Gen. 6:4 calls these men Giants of the 1st world and also indicates that this union between them and Adam's descendants, would happen again. "And also after that" is prophecy that the sons of God (mankind) and the descendants of Adam (human) would unite again, after the union of the 1st Earth.

Gen. 10:8 fulfills the prophecy of Gen. 6:4 when Cush marries a woman whose ancestors originated in the water. Cush, like Cain, had No one to marry, except the the prehistoric beings created on the 5th day.

Gen. 10:8“And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a MIGHTY ONE on earth.

The result of this union produced Nimrod, who built the 1st Cities of this Earth. History agrees. The DNA within all Humans confirms that we descended from a prehistoric woman, who lived some 190,000 years ago. The Human Intelligence we possess was inherited from Adam.

The final result of the mixing of Adam's descendants and prehistoric man ALSO produced violent, unbelieving humans of today, and doomed this world to destruction. ll Peter 3:10

God Bless

 

Gen 6 SHOWS that the SAME age group LIVING AT THE SAME TIME with the SAME origin - (that would be the FIRST MAN Adam) were marrying --

As the commentaries have shown HERE on THIS thread -- it is obvious that the Bible DOES used the term "Sons of God" for the PEOPLE of GOD "repeatedly IN scripture".

But that would be "exegesis" - letting the Bible speak -- instead of INSERTING "Cro-MAGNON" as a humanist view of origins would demand and forsaking all of true Bible exegesis.

In Christ,

Bob

 

John Wesley Quote:

Gen 6
Verse 1
Men began to multiply upon the face of the earth - This was the effect of the blessing, Genesis 1:28, and yet man's corruption so abused this blessing, that it turned into a curse.
Verse 2
The sons of God - Those who were called by the name of the Lord, and called upon that name, married the daughters of men - Those that were profane, and strangers to God. The posterity of Seth did not keep to themselves as they ought, but intermingled with the race of Cain: they took them wives of all that they chose[/b] - They chose only by the eye: They saw that they were fair - Which was all they looked at.
http://www.studylight.org/com/wen/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=006

 

Quote:
Adam Clarke –
Quote:

Notes on Chapter 6
Verse 1. When men began to multiply
It was not at this time that men began to multiply, but the inspired penman speaks now of a fact which had taken place long before. As there is a distinction made here between men and those called the sons of God, it is generally supposed that the immediate posterity of Cain and that of Seth are intended.

The first were mere men, such as fallen nature may produce, degenerate sons of a degenerate father, governed by the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eye, and the pride of life. The others were sons of God, not angels, as some have dreamed, but such as were, according to our Lord's doctrine, born again, born from above, John 3:3,5,6 and made children of God by the influence of the Holy Spirit, Galatians 5:6. The former were apostates from the true religion, the latter were those among whom it was preserved and cultivated.
Dr. Wall supposes the first verses of this chapter should be paraphrased thus: "When men began to multiply on the earth, the chief men took wives of all the handsome poor women they chose. There were tyrants in the earth in those days; and also after the antediluvian days powerful men had unlawful connections with the inferior women, and the children which sprang from this illicit commerce were the renowned heroes of antiquity, of whom the heathens made their gods."
http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=006

 

It shows that the descendants of Seth and the descendants of Cain began to intermarry. It brings this up as one of the direct causes of the flood and the judgment of God on mankind. The fact that the people of God were no longer choosing to live separate from the pagans - resulted in the "salt of the earth" being compromised which leads us to the next text in Genesis 6 showing us the corruption of ALL mankind and the judgment of God...

Obviously.

It also points out the fact that the pre-flood race of mankind were all giants by comparison to the ones living during the days of Moses and the readers to whom Moses was writing. The men of renown is probably a reference to the fact of man's high intelligence and genious - turning his talents toward rebellion and sin, resulting in corruption and violence.

It says NOTHING about "cro-magnon" ape-men, it says NOTHING about two species joining together.

To simply insert wild speculation into scripture as you are doing - is to eisegete in the extreme.


This means there was NO "And God told Cro-magnon to multiply and fill the seas".

There is NO "Cro-Magnon leaped forward in time and married human women"

All such wild speculations fail in the light of reason and of scripture.

 

Dear Bob,

If you are that gulliable, then I have some prime swamp land that I am sure you would be interested in seeing. Your personal interpretation is Not supported by Scripture.:laugh:

BTW, what kind of moving creature do you think Cain got his wife from? Are you saying Cain got his wife from Seth' descendant -- based on your recorded religious stand???

Come now, I know you're better than that. Do you see where your religious view and nonesense argument is going, now?

I also hope -- you're not insinuating that God allowed INCEST to be the process of multiplication of mankind in the beginning, are you?

Finally, are you now ready to admit your doctrinal errors?


God Bless

 

If you were not so adverse to reading the text of scripture you would see that the events of Gen 6 happen 1600 years after Cain - You would not ask if Cain is marrying the daughters of Seth.

But the DESCENDANTS of Cain 1500 years AFTER the creation of man ARE doing that very thing. You call this "incest" -- how interesting!!

Read the posts and the text of scripture -- pay attention to the inconvenient details - we can then discuss.


If you were to GN to read the book of Genesis you would find that Abraham married his half sister and Isaac married his cousins.

IF you were to BELIEVE what God has written you would see that indeed the family of Adam had NTHER HUMANS to choose from for marriage - they were IT!!

Without the genetic defects in their genome that we have today - they would have had no ill effects from such marriages.

In Christ,

Bob

 

JFB – Jamieson Fausset Brown Quote:
2. the [b]sons of God saw the daughters of men[/b]--By the former is meant [b]the family of Seth[/b], who were professedly religious; by the latter, the descendants of apostate Cain. Mixed marriages between parties of opposite principles and practice were necessarily sources of extensive corruption. The women, religious themselves, would as wives and mothers exert an influence fatal to the existence of religion in their household, and consequently the people of that later age sank to the lowest depravity.
3. flesh--utterly, hopelessly debased.
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive--Christ, as God, had by His Spirit inspiring Enoch, Noah, and perhaps other prophets (1Pe 3:20; 2Pe 2:5; Jude 14), preached repentance to the antediluvians; but they were incorrigible.
http://www.studylight.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=ge&chapter=006