Alzheimers

If you are going to accuse fellow believers in Christ of not caring about people who die in war, you better be able to back it up.

 

Yes, Alzheimers patients are human
Yes Iraqi Women are Human
Yes new born Iraqi's
Yes Unborn Children are Human

JustChristain has started his attack about the murder of innocent Iraqi's on other threads. I have responded with stories of various soldiers who are or have been in Iraq. I have asked him to prove or at least reveal his sources of such murders.

He has never responded.

I have spent 2 years of my life praying for my children who are stationed in Iraq. I have a minimum of 6 more months. Many other years with children from my youth groups or soccer teams I have coached. I personnally know at least 3 who have been seriously wounded. One wounded twice, and one who committed sucides after returning. I assure you you that none of these were or are murders.

JC, please substantiate these charges or (edited after calming down) be quiet.

 

Which "other threads?" I don't remember not responding to you. In any event, I believe in the Just War doctrine. My belief is that it's very restrictive. On "another thread" I said that in my opinion WW2 was a just war. I'm not sure about the Korean war or Gulf war 1. The Viet Nam war and the current Iraq war are definitely unjust. Shouldn't Christians be acting to avoid war or get out of unjust wars rather than to fight and kill other human beings needlessly? I take my example from Jesus Christ. Who do you follow?

 

Maybe they do not agree with you that these wars you mention are unjust. So if they do not think they are unjust, who are you to accuse them of murder? (Btw, I am not voicing any support for or against these wars, merely making a point).

You have deemed these wars are unjust and are hurling accusations that people who fight them are murdering people. That's a pretty big accusation. So Christians should not fight because of what you say?

If you think it's unjust, then don't particpate or support the war. But don't impose your belief on others and call them murderers, especially if you believe in just wars.

Only a true pacifist has the moral consistency to say that anyone fighting any war is committing murder (not that I agree or disagree).

 

Everyone must come to their own conclusions about war. Mine are partly about my understanding of the New Testament and partly out of my own experience. I'm simply stating my opinion just as those people who claim that everyone who voted for Obama has the blood of innocent aborted babies on their hands. I happen to reject that judgment. Who are you to make such claims?

 

How in Hades did this thread get into war?

 

Originally Posted by tinytim
I would say that is dangerous theology.
Look what it could lead to if you could convince someone that the soul was gone.. Euthanasia would get a foothold.

It is the same on the opposite end of the lifespan... those convinced that the newly conceived human doesn't have a soul, so then they can justify abortion.

The only proper biblical perspective that values human life above animal life is to acknowledge life begins at conception and ends at death. And where there is life, there is a soul.
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What about in the middle of the spectrum? Aren't soldiers and noncombatants affected by wars human beings too? Yet we somehow try to argue that God wills that these people should be killed. What about capital punishment? We arbitrarily take lives as punishment even though many on death row have been found to innocent.

 

Oh right, I forgot that alzheimers and dementia caused all wars and lead to abortion which can make one gay.

I get it now! Duh.

Cheers,

Jim.oh, that was just an opinion!

 

I think the common thread is treatment of all human life with respect which includes abortion, war, and dementia. I think of all of these as being included under the umbrella of the Sanctity of Life.

 

then change the title of alzheimers!

 

You are entitled to your opinion that WWII was a just war. But why was it more just than the other wars you mentioned.

 

Frankly the question is stupid. What would make an Alzheimer's patient other than human? Babies are dependent on care takers for getting clothed, bathing and feedings. Are they human? That is the rationale that some use to justify abortion.

 

What claims?

 

Who argues that God wills "these people should be killed?" You are claiming this, so who says this?

Capital punishment is hardly arbitrary. It is the consequence of someone taking a life and must meet the requirements for a capital case, which is a small minority of murder cases.

Executing someone found to be guilty of a capital crime (which is more than just murder) is hardly the same as killing an unborn baby.

God said not to murder but He clearly did not mean capital punishment or He would not have commanded it in certain cases for Israel, nor said this:

Gen 9.6 Whoever sheds man's blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man.

 

This is the logic I would expect from an abortionist: that is, a baby is not human until they reach a certain stage of development. I cannot believe that a rational Christian would express such a view. It seems to me that Scripture clearly expresses the truth:

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Obviously the first clause is speaking of the death of the body. Only then does the spirit/soul return to God.

 

Do you believe that killing innocents in war is God's will? Is capital punishment God's will? Is the life of an unborn child worth more in your eyes than the life of a 3 year old Iraqi girl or a convicted murderer who's later found to be innocent?
The "we" is everyone who says it's OK to kill these human beings.

 

I don't know what God's will is for everything but I know God decreed capital punishment, so at times, that has been his will, and it may be today.

Your question is full of false dichotomies. Have you read the OT? In some cases, God had children die with their parents.

 

JustChristian, you never answered this question:

Who argues that God wills "these people should be killed?" You are claiming this, so who says this?