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Alzheimers

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Palatka51, Feb 2, 2009.

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  1. Palatka51

    Palatka51 New Member

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    Does not having the faculties to reason that life begins at conception mean that one is a candidate for Alzheimer's?
     
  2. Jim1999

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    Good job abortion wasn't legal then, innit?

    But then, mum didn't know the stock market would crash two years later and a horrible war 10 years after that.

    Not to worry, I won't be around too much longer.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  3. SaggyWoman

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    Sounds like you guys need to cool off a while.
     
  4. EdSutton

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    Great post. :thumbsup:

    Ed
     
  5. EdSutton

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    Methinks Palatka51 do got a good point, here.

    But let me still congratulate JustChristian for a couple of nice attempts for a [​IMG]

    :rolleyes:

    Ed
     
  6. EdSutton

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    FTR, since JustChristian did not start this thread, I don't think that is a viable option.

    But it doesn't seem to hinder the attempted [​IMG]

    Ed
     
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  7. EdSutton

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    The topic is also Alzheimer's, not 'war', as well. :(

    ''Physician, heal thyself!"

    Ed
     
  8. EdSutton

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    Congratulations! :thumbsup:

    :rolleyes:

    Three different [​IMG] attempts plus one added opinion in only one paragraph. The different colors differentiate each, FTR.

    BTW, I do not particularly care what is one's personal political position, for this particular thread, but certainly think I do recognize a hijack attempt when I see one.

    Ed
     
  9. EdSutton

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    FTR, I have also witnessed both advanced dementia and Alzheimer's in my own family.

    And as one who is also a diabetic, I am probably much more likely than some to such maladies, considering the long term effects of diabetes on one's body and brain.

    I would wish either affliction on no one, in my worst moment, for it truly is outwardly saddening.

    Now, considering this thread is completely [​IMG]

    and one other poster has seemed determined that it remains thus, despite several pleas, I'm [​IMG]

    Ed
     
  10. Palatka51

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    FTR, in a feeble attempt to show the fallacy of those that have the opinion of life beginning at a later date than that of conception, I have tried to show that human life is not determined by brain function. It is clearly shown that the Alzheimer's patient is human regardless of memory and quality of life.

    Quite frankly I am beginning to think that the whole issue is all about life quality.
    Among other reasons for abortions these are the most common.
    1. The mother thinks that the child will be an inconvenience to her ambitions for life.
    2. The mother thinks that the child will have downs syndrome, hindering both her and the child's quality of life.
    3. In poor nations, children are aborted for limited, shared resources.
    4. In rape cases, the child is aborted because it will always remind the victim of that horrible event.
    5. In case of health of the mother, what kind of quality does a child have without a mother?

    The Alzheimer's patient also has "quality of life" issues. Sense the patient of advanced Alzheimer's has limited brain activity and can linger on for years, what kind of life quality is that?

    We allow comatose patients who exhibit no brain activity to be put down like an animal. What is stopping us from starving to death the Alzheimer's patient?

    My point is this, brain function, nor quality of life, does not determine what is human. The taking of that life is against the Law of Almighty God.

    Conception is the only moniker for the beginning of human life and the cessation of all bodily function is the only sure sign of no human activity of a living soul.
     
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    He's good at dodging questions and making irrelevant points. If you count that as "scoring a point," so be it.
     
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    Allow me to play devil's advocate here. The following question/statement is not my belief, but I believe it is a relative question that we should reason out and answer, because the opposition does ask it. I believe it does deserve an answer. I don't have that answer, do you?

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    We can't stand to see animals suffer when it's apparent they will die anyway, but we let humans suffer horrendously in the name of mercy? Isn't that treating animals with more mercy than humans?

    The scriptural definition of murder doesn't fit in with the concept of euthanasia for the ill.
     
  13. Jim1999

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    As I undestand it, most doctors do not euthanize a patient, which is illegal, but simply withhold medications and machinery, which has virtually been keeping that body alive. It is always with cooperation of the family.

    On the other hand, I know of a Salvation Army couple who kept a son alive for 17 years, following a high school football accident. They finally pulled the plug and he died within 3 hours. They finally got on with their lives in the service of the Salvation Army, helping others, which they had neglected for 17 years.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  14. Palatka51

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    We put down an animal because it does not deserve to suffer for anything.

    We do not put down people because there is eternity to face. If we did such, we might be sending that one, unsaved, soul into everlasting judgment.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Animals are not made in the image of God, so if they are suffering, it is okay to end their life.

    Euthanasia is murder because it is actively ending someone's life. If someone is dying, then withholding some kind of machine, such as a breathing machine, is not considered euthansia.

    Euthanasia is active intervention to end a life and differs from allowing someone who is dying to die. I worked for 2 yrs for a lawyer who is an expert in euthanasia issues and has argued before the US Supreme Court on this issue.
     
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