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America Under Judgment?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by OldRegular, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. windcatcher

    windcatcher New Member

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    Indeed! Agreed, there is no blessing in the increase of sin:

    Where in the Scripture it was ever in error to preach the judgement of God? It is never presumptuous to recognize that sin brings judgement!

    The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

    Judgement is comming, there can be no doubt. Is it possible that judgement has already begun with more to follow as it hasn't turned people to God?

    Revival has never come preaching the message of peace and security. Revival has never come preaching love. In fact, revival has never come without preaching the fear and judgement of God. In fact, there can be no peace and security and there is no love without preaching and warning of judgement. Until people recognize God for who he is they neither seek him nor acknowledge him.
     
  2. tinytim

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    I am 100% sure that my opinion is that because of the majority of Americans choosing to uphold sin, God is passing Judgement on America.

    God passes Judgement on countries. Look at history... look in the Bible.

    Countries that and areas of countries that thumb their noses at God deserve God's judgement.

    Is Obama the sentence?
    Is Obama the symptom?
    Is Obama the cause?

    Only God knows... but I do know that when Obama lifts the ban on Partial Birth Abortion.. all those that gave him the power to do that will answer to God one day for those innocent lives that will be destroyed.

    If you voted for Obama, the blood of innocent babies will be on your hand the minute he acts to increase the availability of abortion.

    When he acts to destroy the definition of marriage, your vote for him gave him the power to do that.

    Don't praise God this Sunday if you voted for Obama on Tuesday... your praise will stink in the nostrils of God...

    Of course, the above is 100% my opinion... so take it as that.
     
  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    You are correct, however President Bush did appoint Micheal Guest as Ambassador the Romania. Though not the first, he is also h0mosexu@l and was appointed by that staunch defender of Biblical morals, George Bush.
     
  4. windcatcher

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    Of the three questions you pose, I think Obama is only the symptom.
    The cause of God's judgement is with the people.
    Obama is not the sentence.....
    The sentence is seen in the consequences of our choices.... whether by him or in spite of him.

    Personally, I believe he will find quickly that he had more power in his campaign than he will have in the highest office of the land. He will be perceived as the leader or one in charge, but he will be driven by a tide of forces behind him and beyond his ability to control. Whether he is really the man in power or merely the man in front of the powerful.... he will be the man out front and by his own record before coming to this office..... the record of his associations, the record of his hardball stand against life of the unborn, and promises he's made, he has set himself up to be blamed for whatever plans the globalist push to advantage their cause, and he will find it harder to defend himself than Bush did against the powers and enemies within his own administration.
     
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    Good assessment - thank you.
     
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    May God bless you abundantly, C4K.
     
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    I Don't UNDERSTAND this? How you can say this? WE DO KNOW not only his MIND but his HEART! The Bible is "GOD BREATHED"
     
  8. givengrace

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    I AGREE 100% And God values LIFE much more than MONEY.
     
  9. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    He has already begun, thanks for your kind thoughts my brother!
     
  10. Aaron

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    I'm sorry to hear that. They're gathering sticks and raising the stake, are they?
     
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Figuratively? They sure have. New restrictions from Brussels are going to make it nearly impossible to have a non-registered church in Europe. Many American missionaries are about to be forced out of the UK and Ireland.

    And yet God's church moves on and God's children are on fire for Him.
     
  12. OldRegular

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    And the UK is ready to grant SHIRIA law to the Mohammedans!:confused:
     
  13. Aaron

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    Well just remember, it's not an affliction. It's a blessing.
     
  14. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    You are dead right - it is always a blessing to accomplish our calling (1 Peter2v21)

    Also check out 1 Peter 3v14
     
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    This is the mindset that tries to put a gap between the two parties while teaming the Republicans up with God. Sometimes it seems we have forgotten what the term Holy God really means. The gap between God and man is so wide, without Jesus, it cannot be crossed. In this thread, to put the rotten to the core major parties and try to pair one closer to God is very flawed. The two parties are like siamese twins compared to God. There is only a difference when viewed through selfish human eyes.

    The quote above should have said, in this election, God plainly set before America stench and more stench. She chose more stench.

    By the way, God ordains leaders to nations.
     
  16. Goldie

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    Here's the crux of the matter - for those who know the story of Sodom & Gommorrah:

    Abraham asked God that if He could find 50 righteous people in Sodom, would God spare the city? God agreed to do so.

    But Abraham could not find 50, so he begged for the salvation of Sodom if he could find 40 instead. Again he failed.

    Then he asked if the number could be lowered to 30. It was. He failed again and requested it again to be lowered to 20. Again he failed to find 20 righteous people. Finally God agreed that He would save Sodom for 10 righteous people.

    And when it comes to the word righteousness - it doesn't mean good works or self-righteousness - it means IMPUTED righteousness. The Bible carries a clear doctrine of IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    So we can see that the quota for Sodom & Gomorrah to be saved was 10 righteous people. There weren't that many as we can see. So God removed Lot (who was righteous in God's eyes, simply because he believed in Him) and his family and destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. So if God is now judging America, wouldn't you think he would remove the Christians (righteous) first? Or do we rather sit back and get our matches ready, so we can self-righteously cry, "Judgment! Judgment!" and burn them all at the stake?

    Honestly, there was another nutter on another forum saying that since Obama is the 44th President of America, 44 is God's number for judgement - so beware! All of America is going up in smoke, including the Christians! Then you get the other assortment of nutters who say something like, "I don't want to be judgmental...... BUT......" - and then they proceed to do exactly that. Honestly, it amazes me how they don't first see God's love, mercy, long-suffering, kindness and forgiveness. I'm sure America has more than 10 righteous people within her borders, say what?

    The same will happen in the Rapture - we will be removed from earth because that's when God's judgment really begins. In the Book of Psalms it clearly states, that if and when nations turn their backs on God, He will send them fools to rule over them - and that's exactly what's happening in America - Obama is inexperienced, he's a commie and very proud and struts around like a peacock, and his famous chant is : "Yes we can!" It's almost like saying: "Look ma, no hands!" Ooooops............

    Of course we can't, but God CAN and will in due time - and I can't wait.

    America isn't the only nation currently in this predicament though, I'd say most of the world has fools ruling over them.

    Christians mistakenly think that by voting for the correct political candidate will save their nation. That couldn't be further from the truth. What counts is when Christians, instead of whining all the time and placing their hopes on politicians (who are all liars), should rather go preaching the true gospel and planting churches.

    Nuf said.
     
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    Let us consider:

    Things were going pretty good until 2006 except people were unhappy about the war. They had been hammered by the leftist media that Bush was a liar and we were in recession. Gasoline was about $2 per gallon.

    The democrats won control of Congress with Pelosi claiming a secret plen to lower gasoline prices and end corruption.

    Her plan remained secret, gasoline prices increased to above $4 per gallon.

    Republicans had been trying to reform Fannie and Freddie which were buying subprime mortgages but were stopped by democrats like Barney the Frank and Senator Schumer. Fannie and Freddie paid BO $100k and and a certain mortgage companies gave sweetheart deals to certain democrats, a sign that corruption had been redefined.

    Because democrats would not allow reform of Fannie and freddie the Feds had to take over. Credit dried up and companies started laying off people. Though the unemployment was only 6.5% democrats and leftist media started screaming "Hoover" times as if Roosevelt, the originator of socialism in the government, did not preside over the longest depression in history. He also destroyed food to keep the people from overeating and eventually got us into a war to end the depression.

    But enough of history. Obama the Merciful after 143 days in the Senate decides to run for president. He raises over $600 million from unknown sources, cons the people proclaiming change such as 1] Sign the Freedom of Choice Act, 2] Eliminate the Defense of Marriage Act, 3] Redistribute the wealth, i.e., take from those who work and give to those who don't, and other assorted Marxist tactics.

    People elect Obama, the Most Merciful, commemorating the success of Pelosi's secret plan to lower gasoline prices and the democrats leading us into recession.

    A significant number of professing Christians grant Obama, the Most Merciful, their support although he admittedly favors the murder of the unborn and born, an abomination before God.

    Is Obama, the Most Merciful, an instrument of God's judgment on this country?
     
  18. saturneptune

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    It could be, but since I am not God, I do not know.
     
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