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Americans waking up to Islamic prayer call coming to a city near you?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Apr 15, 2004.

  1. gb93433

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    Some who believe that a democracy is the will of God may find out that it is the will of the people instead.
     
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    GB--see? You're right, too! God does not run Heaven through a Democracy---but rather through a Theocracy! People have a way of "botchin'" things up when they try to "run things" through a democracy---they do what is "right" in their own eyes---whether its right in God's eyes or not! A Theocracy is run by the mind of God---impeccable, infallable, inerrant mind of perfection!!

    Even your local church---when its run by a democracy---did you know---that THAT is not the will of the Lord God?? It is run through a Theocracy---with invisable God in control--and the visable Pastor as the Undershepherd---he is to be on earth what invisable God is in heaven---in a representative way--I know that the Pastor is not Omnipotant, Omnipresent, Omniscient---but he is to be the visable representative of God to that church---that is a Theocracy!

    Our democratic(not party but people) society will arive in Heaven to find out that the only one who has a "say so" is the Lord Jesus Christ!! Everybody else will be saying like Samuel, "Speak, Lord! For Your servant heareth!" and like the Apostle Paul, "Lord! What would Thou have me to do?"

    Fine point, Sir!

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  3. pinoybaptist

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    Sorry, folks. Just talkin' angry, that's all. Here we have the liberals of this government tryin' to suppress anythin' Christian and promoting everything unChristian in the guise of tolerance and political correctness.

    I take back what I said.

    But, if they try that where I live, I'm going to be way out there in the front of opposition.
     
  4. blackbird

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    Pino---do you have a pair of Wire Cutters?? Does it ever get dark where you live?? I believe they spell that B-I-N-G-O! Problem solved!!!
     
  5. Johnv

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    Would you have a problem waking up to Christian prayer calls? If your problem is with the noise issue, I'm on your side. If you have a problem with the religious affiliation of the prayer calls, I'm not.
     
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    Muslims pray five times a day: once about an hour before sunrise, and once about an hour after sundown, and the other three during the day. Their prayers are always in Arabic, proclaiming that there is no other God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet. They carry on for at least five minutes; depending on the mulvi, sometimes longer.
    I don't know where you live, but if that happened here, right now, the sun rises tomorrow at 6:22 a.m., and sets at 8:42 p.m. Thus tomorrow their prayer time would be around 5:20 in the morning and 9:40 in the night. Just wait until June 21. They will be up at 3:00 a.m., and again, as late as 11:00 p.m. To be forced to listen to a prayer that praises a god that is a false god, a prophet that is a false prophet, in a language that you don't understand anyway (which to you then would certainly be classified as noise) is irreprehensible. The purpose: "it is a 'call to prayer.'" This is common in a Muslim country, when the Mulvi (Muslim priest) calls the multitude of Muslims to prayer at the set time. But when the Muslims are in the minority this is not necessary. We remember the times of our services, and are responsible to get there, without our preacher setting up loudspeakers on each corner of the roof and announcing to all the city to come to church. For the Muslims it is a "call to prayer." They no longer live in their illiterate villages without electricity and running water. They have watches, and all the anemities of American life, so that the outmoded public call to prayer is completely unnecessary.
    DHK
     
  7. Kiffin

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    I don't like it but then again I don't like Beer or cigarette advertisements. As long as they don't violate city noise ordinances you cannot outlaw it, no more than you can outlaw Church bells or street evangelists.
     
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    Well, of course they won't violate the noise ordinance because they are going to change the ordinance to accomodate them, against the protests of many Christians in the town. Is this possibly establishing one religion over another by the government? So much for the first ammendment.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  9. Johnv

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    I have a watch, too. Should it be illegal, then, for my local Presby church to cease its carillon which tells time, and also plays hymns at noon? Catholics have watches, too. Should it be ilegal, then, for my local Catholic church's carillon to toll the Angelus prayer chime at 6am, noon, and 6pm?
     
  10. Johnv

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    That's up to the local community to decide. It would only violate the 1st amendment if the ordinance changes apply to only one religion, and not to all people in general. Again, it's up to the local community to decide if they want to change the ordinance. The rest of us don't have a say in what the local community does. It would only violate the 1st amendment if other religions would not be allowed the same privileges of the new ordinance.
     
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    Oh. Are you saying the local community is going to get to vote on the matter? I think I read in the article or heard on the news that the board was making the decision regardless of what the community says because they are afraid of a lawsuit they can't afford to fight in court in their small town.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    So let them ring their stupid bell. I'll even do it for them. "Hey Musilms, time to pray...ring ring"...That's five times a day, right ?

    I do imagine enough real Americans will get sick and tired of it, real soon, and there will be a misterious shortage of bells & loudspeakers, all of a sudden.
     
  13. Johnv

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    Joseph, from what I've read, it sound more like the press is having a field day with it because it's selling papers. Most towns, even small ones, have city attorneys which handle routine legal matters. Jusicial reviews of local ordinances are par for the course, and is not necesarily overly expensive.

    I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm simply saying that it looks like the press is blowing more air into that balloon because it looks more exciting in print. Besides, even in the worst case scenario, assuming that the ordinance is changed in a manner in which the public doesn't like, the public can get a mesure on the ballot to restore the precepts of the ordinance. Getting a measure on a local ballot is quite easy, especially in a small town.
     
  14. DaughterofYah1956

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    WOW! I heard some discussion on this subject last night at prayer meeting. Some said its an outrage, others said its only right because of religious freedom. Others said we christians should have a call of prayer of our own. I really don't know what to think. As christians I understand that we already have a call to prayer according to (Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;) But it sure is interesting to hear what others have to say. I am beginning to like this place more and more, and I am definitley learning some things here.
    Peace and Grace in Our Lord Jesus Christ
    JLynne
     
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