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An ignorant Limey asks, #472

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Matt Black, Jun 6, 2008.

  1. Matt Black

    Matt Black Active Member

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    1.What happens if Obama gets elected President in November and then gets shot dead the next day: who gets inaugurated in January?

    2. What's the answer to #1 if he gets assasinated the day before the election? Who would stand for the Dems?

    [ETA - can a friendly Mod please correct my embarrassing typo in the thread title, please?!]
     
  2. NiteShift

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    It would be up to the Democratic National committee to choose a replacement. They could substitute the vice-presidential candidate, but they would not be required to by law.

    I sort of like ognorant, and was thinking it might be a cockney expression.
     
  3. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    This is where it gets complicated. The electors dont actually vote until December, the first Wednesday I think. They would legally be free to vote for anyone they wish, but would probably support whoever the Democratic National Committee chose.

    I am not certain what happens if the electors have voted. I think a losing candidate, Horace Greely died between the election and the electors voting. But that is as close as it has come.
     
  4. Matt Black

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    That was 1872, wasn't it? But Greely was the third candidate then in any event.

    PS Can we clarify what might happen if a candidate dies just before an election?
     
  5. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    The party would replace him/her

    In 1872 the present string 2 party system was not as strong. I think Greely was nominated by a spurious Republican party and the main part of the Democrat Party



    It was 1912, I think, that a third party finished second in an election.
     
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  6. Matt Black

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    Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Progressives? Gave the White House to Wilson
     
  7. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    No too "ignorant" for a "Limey" :)
     
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    After the election, if the president dies, the vice president gets sworn in as president. Third in line is the Speaker of the House (Nancy Pelosi). In case you didn't know that info....:wavey:
     
  9. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    This does not affect the new president until after his/her inauguration.
     
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    Are you sure of that and do you have a source?
     
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I assumed we were discussing the president elect dying between the Electoral College vote the inauguration.

    Of course, if the sitting president dies in office before inauguration day your scenario is played out.
     
  12. EdSutton

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    C4K is correct, as to the 'sitting' President.

    In the other scenario, the Vice-President 'elect', whomever that might be, would then become the 'President-elect', in that case. (U. S. Constitution, Amendment XX, Section 3)

    Ed
     
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    Kewl! Thanks Ed
     
  14. EdSutton

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    Again, C4K is correct on all counts, here.

    That's why the BB pays him the big bucks to be an Administrator! :)

    Ed
     
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    It depends on whether or not he comes back to life three days later.........
     
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    Oh, wouldn't that stink for Obama...

    He picks Hill as his VP... but kicks the bucket Jan 18th...
    Hill is sworn in as prez on the 20th, ... and He comes back to life on the 21st... to realize he is not the president... HILLARY IS!!!
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    Thanks, Ed. :thumbs:
     
  19. JustChristian

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    Didn't this happen in a Missouri election for the Senate recently? I think his wife ended up running (chosen by the party).

    Yes. I "googled it."

    Democratic Governor Mel Carnahan of Missouri killed in plane crash
    Tuesday, October 17, 2000

    Governor Carnahan, his son Randy, and an aide were killed in a plane crash Monday evening October 16, 2000.

    Governor Carnahan was elected to the Governor's chair in 1992 and re-elected in 1996. Due to term limits, he was unable to run for a third term as governor. Mel Carnahan was running for the Senate seat currently held by Republican Senator John Ashcroft.

    He won the election. The incumbent, John Ashcroft, lost to a dead man. Carnahan's wife will be filling in for him. In the 2000 senatorial campaign, dead Democratic challenger Mel Carnahan's name remained on the ballot because he died three days after Missouri's secretary of state approved the November ballot. After such approval, state law forbids any changes to the ballot, including the removal or addition of any candidate's name.

    The issue of a candidate dying - after the ballots had been approved - has happened several times in Missouri, including when Democratic U.S. Senate nominee Jerry Litton died in a plane crash in 1976.

    Article III of the Constitution is not violated because the deceased is never elected - if the deceased receives more votes, then by state law the seat is declared vacant. Missouri law gives the Governor the authority to make an appointment and he chose to appoint Carnahan's widow - Jean Carnahan - to the vacant senate seat.

    While it is rare to have a candidate die between the issuance of the official ballot and election day, every state has similar provisions. So, even though it was a rare event, Missouri state law was written to handle just such an occurrence. There was no violation of federal or state law, and John Ashcroft, the defeated incumbent, had no recourse on these grounds to challenge the results.
     
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