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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by robt.k.fall, Jun 13, 2014.

  1. robt.k.fall

    robt.k.fall Member

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    Here's a link to Part 1 of a seven part series. I recommend reading all seven before posting any comments.
     
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    Would be nice to have the link..
     
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    Thanks.

    I've browsed over that seven part series of articles on Fuller, a couple excerpts:

    From part 2:
    “….a regrettable misunderstanding not only of Fuller but of the historic Calvinistic doctrine and is at the root of many bypasses in the discussion between these hopefully fraternal parties in Southern Baptist life.”


    From Part 3:
    “…if Fuller is to serve as a bridge from Calvinism to non-Calvinism all parties must still anticipate the meeting on this bridge.”


    From part 4:
    “….Fuller’s view of atonement in its relation to redemption, therefore, does not modify historical Calvinism, but places him within the context of an ongoing discussion of this issue among Calvinists. This is an area in which vigorous exchanges and hefty reasoning must be welcomed; these, however, operate within the commitments to unconditional election, sinful depravity that involves the moral inability of the will, the sovereign grace of effectual calling, the divine determination to save all the elect, and God’s status as a just moral governor. If non-Calvinists suppose Fuller is a way out of Calvinism for Baptists, others might justly contend that he is a way in….”


    It appears that Fuller represents a 'happy medium ground' of compromise to some in order to avoid a nasty rift that may or may not be imminent.

    I've probably forgotten more about him than I now know. He had Particular Baptist roots, but turned against and said/wrote many bad things about them later in his life, John Gill being one of his targets.
     
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    Van Well-Known Member
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    With just a quick read through the second article addressing total spiritual inability, his bogus view remains within the realm of Calvinist dogma. Thus he seems a bridge to nowhere.
     
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    R.k.f., do you intend to provide comment on the articles? Or comment on comment on the articles?
     
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    Van, Fuller's POV was the starting point for William Carey and was a break from Gillite ridigity on the matter of foreign missions.

     
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    he stands as the mediator between Hyper Cals, who tended to save God election precluding ANY need to evangelize/witness, as they were already reconciled back to God, and to those whose position is just aprofessing faith is good enough to save!
     
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    Thanks Robt.K.Fall, that puts Fuller as a bridge between HyperCal, and Mainline Cal.
     
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    Which would be one who holds to the Gospel saving a definite group of people, and yet the need to evangelize!
     
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    Why evangelize. Could an elect person go to Hades/Gehenna if they say died before hearing the gospel? Since, according to Calvinism, God will save all the elect, what does preaching the gospel accomplish? Is it only to earn rewards for service? Are you saying something we choose to do might alter the outcome of anyone's life? I thought you were an exhaustive determinist, where everything, is predestined by God and nothing we do alters His predestined outcome. So if we think we choose not to evangelize, that was really the choice predestined by God and he has an alternate plan to reach anyone we might have impacted.
     
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    Why, it's the instrument God gave the Church to populate heaven with!! Everybody knows that!! Untold kajillions of souls went to hell because the Church was so late in finally developing organized mission boards. Thank God for men like Carey and Fuller who put her on the right track.
     
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    I do not disagree, Kyredneck, but your view deviates from Calvinism, especially hyper-Calvinism.
     
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    It's not my view, at all. I was being facetious in order to make a point.
     
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    LOL 10chars
     
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    Did you ever read where Jesus taught us that our yes should mean yes and our no should mean no. I should have discerned you were over the top, but alas, I am far too trusting when reading Calvinist posts.

    If your point is God saves each and every elect person, and nothing we do affects that outcome, then evangelism seems to have merit only in rewards for service.
     
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    Such drama. Oh you poor dear, I've probably marked you and have caused you to be against Calvinists for life. Shame, shame on me....

    [sarcasm/facetiousness alert]
     
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    To the best of my knowledge, what is now considered the Mainline.
     
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    Yes, once I've read them all.
     
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